04-02-2005, 11:27 PM
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#1 | | Member
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| What fencing actions are working well with the new timings
Hey Guys, i was wondering what fencing actions are working well now that the timings have changed
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04-03-2005, 12:45 PM
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#2 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Remises and attacks into preparation. Epee-like counterattacks. Insistence stop-cuts.
Or did you mean foil? | |
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04-04-2005, 03:28 AM
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| I do pretty well with advance-disengage-flunge, and advance-advance-little tap to wrist from below. | 
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04-04-2005, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Or did you mean foil? | Naahh.... he couldn't have....
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04-05-2005, 02:27 AM
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#5 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| I know. I don't want to believe it, either. But---there ARE foilists among us...  | |
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04-05-2005, 09:51 AM
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#6 | | Immortal
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| The old, "work tempo until your opponent is flat-footed, advance-lunge, hit him in the head" still works.
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04-05-2005, 10:51 AM
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| Foilepee technique
contorsions, protections of the valid surface, counter-attack and escape ...
chest protectors, remise , remise , remise,
wait and don't attack as soon as you are 2 points ahead ...
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04-05-2005, 12:15 PM
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#8 | | Din Älskling
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Originally Posted by Alan contorsions, protections of the valid surface, counter-attack and escape ...
chest protectors, remise , remise , remise,
wait and don't attack as soon as you are 2 points ahead ... | Hey, why are you talking about epee? They didn't change the epee timings...oh wait... he WAS talking about foil...
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04-05-2005, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan contorsions, protections of the valid surface, counter-attack and escape ...
chest protectors, remise , remise , remise,
wait and don't attack as soon as you are 2 points ahead ... | perfectly said. That is exactly what is going on in High level foil right now.
But those who have adapted have succeded. This is why the Italians have been doing so badly.
One Person who has adapted to the new timings incredibly well is the current junior world champion Benjamin Klienbrink. He does all of the above but not without planing to. He offen attacks ending of with a close quarter parry repost.
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04-05-2005, 08:42 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by AntonioDelMonte Hey Guys, i was wondering what fencing actions are working well now that the timings have changed | The best tactic is to do the same actions you would do on the old timings, except make sure you finish straight rather than with a glancing hit or flick. Attacks into preparation are much easier to pull off. Some fencers are being drastically affected, some are fencing in basically the same way, so don't think about it and hopefully you'll be fine. | |
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04-06-2005, 02:38 AM
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#11 | | Senior Member
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| Here is a thought: REPRISE.
The last 15 years of fencing gave a huge advantage to the attacker and for that reason most people just try to out distance their opponent's attack, instead of mounting a "real" defence like a parry or counterattack. This has changed a bit with the new timings, but fencers who learned only to outdistance are still doing it.
So what to do vs. and outdistancing defender?
Make your attack longer? No, he wants to stretch you out anyway.
Make your attack more surprising? Maybe, but smart fencers won't be fooled.
Push him to the end of the piste before attacking? Maybe, but pushing can be risky.
Try a REPRISE. Launch your first attack, when he tries to outdistance, go again right away with the second part of your attack.
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04-06-2005, 07:34 AM
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| The new timings really haven't bothered me. But then I was trained in the 70's and 80's . I still use the flick but it's looks a lot like the old coupe in that I use it only on 4 6. and lines only and not the back(foil) What does amaze me are the flickers, they seem so out it ,they can still flick but many of them don't believe it so now they are trying to change their game | |
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04-06-2005, 11:56 AM
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#13 | | Fencing Expert
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper Try a REPRISE. Launch your first attack, when he tries to outdistance, go again right away with the second part of your attack. | Attack no. Riposte arrives, then the reprise of the attack. Touch left (with you standing on the right).
-B :)
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04-06-2005, 01:30 PM
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Attack no. Riposte arrives, then the reprise of the attack. Touch left (with you standing on the right).
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04-06-2005, 02:39 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member
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| I used to like to parry riposte four. With the new timings I find parrying with the metallic jacket works quite well. | |
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04-06-2005, 08:02 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Attack no. Riposte arrives, then the reprise of the attack. Touch left (with you standing on the right).
-B | Hmmm...depends on if you make the end of your first attack LOOK like the end of an attack, instead of just a part of something longer. Image is everything...
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04-06-2005, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Attack no. Riposte arrives, then the reprise of the attack. Touch left (with you standing on the right).
-B | Just realized you are a sabre fencer...I admit it is harder to make the end look like the middle in sabre. I am talking about foil, though...
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