Petitioning for Nationals

[Foil Girl]

Hey there,
I'm back from lurking for a little bit. Those of you in the mountain valley division will probably know about this. The women and men's epee and foil qualifiers were rescheduled to stockton last weekend. The division was notified of this the week of the tournament. I could not change many of the big things in the way that weekend, so I couldn't make the qualifiers. I'm petitioning to qualify now. Any others get stuck in my position?

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-Foil Girl
"If you don't have fun, you've already lost"

[swordsen]

Good luck. With something like that happening you have a pretty good chace of getting into the Div III easily. div II will depend on how well you have been fencing all year.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Foil Girl:
Hey there,
I'm back from lurking for a little bit. Those of you in the mountain valley division will probably know about this. The women and men's epee and foil qualifiers were rescheduled to stockton last weekend. The division was notified of this the week of the tournament. I could not change many of the big things in the way that weekend, so I couldn't make the qualifiers. I'm petitioning to qualify now. Any others get stuck in my position?

You are not stuck in ANY position!
It's your Mountain Valley Division Officers who have got themselves stuck in an inenviable position:

They were supposed to give three weeks notice! (although you were supposed to file appeal sooner...)

Download the USFA Operations Manual, at: http://www.usfencing.org/Documents/Rules/OpsMan
and read Section 2 (starting on Page 26)

"Section 2: Qualification criteria
A. For competitions
(1) All qualifying competitions shall conform strictly to the rules governing USFA
competitions. Each division, at its discretion, may designate its Divisional
Championships as its qualifying competition to the Sectional Championships. The
divisions and sections must give at least three weeks notice of the date, time and place of the qualifying competitions.
All qualifying competitions should be scheduled with regard to date, time, and location in such a manner as to prevent undue hardship to members wishing to attend such
competitions. They may not be scheduled in conflict with major religious holidays or
competitions on the National Calendar in that weapon (such as North American Cup competitions). If a division is geographically large, the qualifying competitions should be held on weekends or national holidays.
(2) A fencer may appeal from the local bout committee and/or the Jury of Appeal of a
qualifying competition any decisions involving a possible violation of the rules to the USFA Executive Committee by forwarding said appeal to the National Office within
three business days after the qualifying competition.
(3) Each division is required to schedule qualifying competitions for each competition for which there are divisional qualifying requirements described below. Divisions must hold separate qualification competitions for each Championship competition. Divisions must
make every reasonable effort to ensure that competition schedules permit competitors
to qualify for all competitions for which they are eligible.
...
(8) Divisions must hold the Division II qualifying competitions as separate competitions
open only to those eligible to compete in the Division II Nationals.
...
(10) The Board of Directors may set aside the results of any qualifying competition which
does not conform to the rules and require that the qualifying competition be rescheduled, designate the qualifiers from that division or section, or require that some or all of the contesting fencers compete in a special qualifying competition held at the site of the National Championships on the day before the National Championship
competition is scheduled to be held."

Good Luck!

Know your Game!

Fence On!

[Clean Touch]

Originally posted by Chris:
You are not stuck in ANY position!
It's your Mountain Valley Division Officers who have got themselves stuck in an inenviable position:

They were supposed to give three weeks notice! (although you were supposed to file appeal sooner...)

Download the USFA Operations Manual, at: http://www.usfencing.org/Documents/Rules/OpsMan
and read Section 2 (starting on Page 26)

"Section 2: Qualification criteria
A. For competitions
(1) All qualifying competitions shall conform strictly to the rules governing USFA
competitions. Each division, at its discretion, may designate its Divisional
Ch...

Yeah, yeah, ok. there's rules and rules and more rules than anyone can choke down. Sometimes they apply, sometimes not, nd we can all agree that we do not live in an ideal world.

I found myself in a similar position this year when my reserve drill weekend with the National Guard conflicted with the Div II/Div III qualifiers for Mtn Valley and I petitioned for the PCCs. According the aforementioned rulebook petitions to the USFA must be sent (submitted?) within three days after the qualifying event in question. So petitioning to the Nationals from the Div II/Div III qualifiers may not be an option anymore.

However, if there is some insurmountable obstacle that keeps you from the PCCs you can file a petition with the USFA and make it into the Nationals that way. I don't think "it's too far to drive" or "it's too expensive" will fly very far as valid excuses, but if you have work conflicts, family events (reunion, funeral, wedding, 100th birthday party, etc), or similar reasons for not attending a petition may be your ticket to the Nationals. If you've accumulated points over the season that can and should be included in your petition to add weight to your plea.

And if I'm not mistaken I think Ms Carla Mae Richards is a prety nice lady.


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Est-ce que l'attaque etait bon? Mais Oui!!

[Foil Girl]

Well, I got a receipt of entry... not sure if I'm in or not, but I'll assume so!

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-Foil Girl
"If you don't have fun, you've already lost"

[Stryder]

Clean touch is right about the "it's too far to drive" excuse.
It is an old policy that financial concerns are NOT grounds for petition.

Foil Girl, pick up a phone rather than assume you got in. They could be sending you a denial a week later.


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