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Schiavona · 03-24-2005, 07:50 PM

Ok, so I've been tasked to organize our Divisional Qualifying tournament for Summer Nationals and I've been ambushed by this Div I team/Senior team thing. According to the Athletes Handbook, both qualify from division level, but I can't find any explanition for them. So, what's the difference? Anybody know?

veeco · 03-24-2005, 07:51 PM

One you need to place above a certain level at Divisionals, the other you can just show up and qualify, I think.

mfp · 03-24-2005, 09:49 PM

http://www.usfencing.org/documents/r...?tourn=temdiv1

Our division had 9 teams compete in the divisional men's epee team qualifier, so 5 teams qualified for something, though I'm not sure if it's the "Division I ME Team" event on July 3rd or the "Senior ME Team" event on July 10th (or both).

Our team took first place, so it's a pity the first team event is scheduled for the 3rd when I'll be in Alaska instead of California.

nahouw · 03-25-2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Schiavona

Ok, so I've been tasked to organize our Divisional Qualifying tournament for Summer Nationals and I've been ambushed by this Div I team/Senior team thing. According to the Athletes Handbook, both qualify from division level, but I can't find any explanition for them. So, what's the difference? Anybody know?

Under the quota, specified on the USFA website for qualification paths, a certain amount qualify for Div I team event. All competing qualify for the open senior event.

oiuyt · 03-25-2005, 11:11 AM

Until you get at least 5 different clubs trying to qualify teams it really doesn't matter, everyone's qualifying for both. Hold a team tournament. Clubs can enter multiple teams but only the top team from each club counts for qualifying positions. The fencers on the teams that fence in the qualifying event have no required correlation with the fencers on the teams at nationals (well, other than the club representation). The club qualifies a team, and then can use whatever proceedure it wishes to determine composition in Sacramento.

MFP- What division are you from that had 9 different clubs fielding teams?

-B :)

Schiavona · 03-25-2005, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by nahouw

Under the quota, specified on the USFA website for qualification paths, a certain amount qualify for Div I team event. All competing qualify for the open senior event.

First off, thanks for the responses!

Does this (above quote), mean that any team that enters the division qualifying event can fence in the Summer Nationals Senior Team event?

mfp · 03-25-2005, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

.MFP- What division are you from that had 9 different clubs fielding teams?

CenCal had 9 teams compete in Team ME, not 9 clubs. One club fielded multiple teams, entering 3.

One combined team divisional qualifer event was held instead of separate qualifying competitions

oiuyt · 03-25-2005, 11:57 AM

No, both the Senior Team and the Division I team events have exactly the same qualifying path (per the Athlete's Handbook).

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TEAM CHAMPIONSHIPS

Based on number of different USFA Member Clubs represented at each of the 2005 Division's Division I Team, Senior Team, under-19 Team qualifying competitions.

Same qualification requirements for each of the three categories of team Championships: Junior Team, Division I Team, Senior Team.

Code:

# Clubs                2   3   4-5   6-10   >10
# Qualifiers           2   3    4      5      6

OR Be a USFA member club that placed in the top 4 at the 2004 National Team Championships in that category of team championships.

[SNIP]

NOTE 1: A division may hold either one Division I Team Championships to qualify clubs for Division I National Team Championships and Senior Team Championships or separate Team qualifying competitions for each category.

-B :)

oiuyt · 03-25-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mfp

CenCal had 9 teams compete in Team ME, not 9 clubs. One club fielded multiple teams, entering 3.

One combined team divisional qualifer event was held instead of separate qualifying competitions

In which case it counts as having 7 clubs competing (not that it makes a difference, 7 or 9 still results in 5 qualifiers.

-B :)

Schiavona · 03-25-2005, 05:17 PM

Brad, can you (or anybody) explain the difference between D1 team and Senior team? Is it age, as in the Vet events? Or rankings as in the D1-A? I'm very

oiuyt · 03-25-2005, 05:29 PM

Div I Teams moves with Div I Nationals when they move to April. Senior Team is always a part of Summer Nationals.

The seeding mechanism for the two events is different. D1T uses the D1 results of the team members, Senior uses DIA, II, and III results. D1 is considered the prestige event, and is in the same part of the week as the D1 events. I would expect D1T to have significantly stronger teams than senior.

But in theory all of the teams could be identical (although given the seeding differences the tableau could vary considerably).

-B :)

Schiavona · 03-25-2005, 06:20 PM

Thank you very much!