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Yes he does
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No he doesn't
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Don't know, couldn't say for sure, maybe
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Can't give a rat's patooie whether he does or does not
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03-22-2005, 09:59 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Does the Devil exist?
What I'm interested in is how many people out there believe that a creature of pure evil, i.e. the Devil, satan, baal, beelzeebub or whatever name you have for it, exists.
Personally, I believe that such a creature exists and was once an angel of God, but then I'm Catholic.
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03-22-2005, 10:15 PM
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#2 | | Fencing Expert
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| A creature of pure evil exists, just ask my exes about me...
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03-22-2005, 10:24 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member
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| have you talked to Inq recently?
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03-22-2005, 10:36 PM
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#4 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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03-22-2005, 10:51 PM
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#5 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: calgary,ab,canada
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| my stance on this issue has changed over the years...now i really think that the existence of such a creature makes no sense at all. | |
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03-22-2005, 11:57 PM
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#6 | | Senior Member
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| SENTOSA CASINO: when you rearrange the letters: SOS! Satanic, one! | |
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03-23-2005, 12:12 AM
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#7 | | The Judge
Join Date: Feb 2003
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| good? evil? God? Satan? who cares.
do something because it is what you feel is right in your heart and mind. don't do it because invisible guys are shaking their fingers at you or you've heard stories from men about what might happen if you don't. wouldn't doing so inherently betray the ideals that God, if He exists, implied for humanity by making himself absent?
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03-23-2005, 12:33 AM
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#8 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by noodle good? evil? God? Satan? who cares.
do something because it is what you feel is right in your heart and mind. don't do it because invisible guys are shaking their fingers at you or you've heard stories from men about what might happen if you don't. wouldn't doing so inherently betray the ideals that God, if He exists, implied for humanity by making himself absent?
/flamewar on | It sounds to me like you got your talking points from that red guy with the pitchfork and pointy tail. | |
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03-23-2005, 12:39 AM
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#9 | | Senior Member
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| No, I don't think a purely evil being exists, just maybe a chaotic, random one. Talking to other people though makes you realize how many things are actually agents of ‘Satan.’ Take Santa for instance, (rearrange the letters) Harry Potter, (  deadly witchcraft) or Dungeons and Dragons or role playing (snicker) Never did figure why Dungeons and Dragons is evil.
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03-23-2005, 12:53 AM
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#10 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by L.O.A.S. It sounds to me like you got your talking points from that red guy with the pitchfork and pointy tail. | yep, because an inherent lean towards trust in humanity is of the devil
i find it interesting that any potential statement as to the nonexistence of the devil can be simply brushed off as a "because thats what he wants you to think" or something as equally absurd. | |
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03-23-2005, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle i find it interesting that any potential statement as to the nonexistence of the devil can be simply brushed off as a "because thats what he wants you to think" or something as equally absurd. | yeah, i know, thats the radical christian view. | |
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03-23-2005, 02:03 AM
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#12 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by noodle yep, because an inherent lean towards trust in humanity is of the devil. | Actually that was not the theme I was referring to in my failed attempt at humor. | |
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03-23-2005, 02:52 AM
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#13 | | The Judge
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Originally Posted by L.O.A.S. Actually that was not the theme I was referring to in my failed attempt at humor. | it took me a few minutes to decide if you were trying to be funny or serious, actually. i chose serious since it'd be less offensive if i was wrong.
interweb sarcasm or humor that can be mistaken for being serious tends to be followed by a smiley of some sort. 
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03-23-2005, 06:52 AM
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#14 | | Senior Member
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| Yes he exist.
He was the greatest of angels but he fall down from his proud. He has many names as you said and he afraids and flee in terror if he hears the name of our Lord
Jesus Christ.(I am Christian Orthodox)
Up the swords may the Lord of Light be with us!
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03-23-2005, 09:41 AM
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#15 | | Din Älskling
Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somewhere inside your head. Or am I?
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| Evil exists yes...
but not as a singular, sentient enemy.
Satan is just a scape goat for humans who can't believe they have it inside of them to commit evil acts.
Stop blaming your evil acts on an external force (it's called external locus of control) and own up to the fact that you're the one who ran over that fluffy little bunny...three times.
I would say that Satan is just a human created alter-ego of God because we don't understand why such a powerful, good and just being as The Creator loves to utterly destroy things, lots of things, on a fairly frequent basis. Pain and suffering?! It's all El Diablo's fault. He's evil. But I wouldn't say such a thing because it's heresy.
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03-23-2005, 11:00 AM
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#16 | | the dark one
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| Yes, he exists, and his name is Karl Rove.
But seriously, I'm with Eskreemr here (until we get to the whole God vs. no God thing - that's another topic altogether). We feel the need to blame acts of atrocity on some force outside our control, or the control of the animal at the top of the food chain, the supposedly sentient one. Go figure. I have never seen evil in nature - only natural order. Only man does evil. | |
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03-23-2005, 12:10 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| Whether the Devil is a mere fictional personification of temptation/id/badness/etc.,
-- or whether it's an actual cosmic being with the purpose of making people do bad things (what a job description),
-- or whether it's some cosmic evil force...
...what does it matter? How would the nature of the thing make any difference to me and the way I live my life?
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03-23-2005, 12:21 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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| Satan exists, but it is mankind who choose whom to follow. That's the thing. There's always a choice. We are all ultimately responsible for our choices. Satan may whisper in our ear, but we don't have to listen. It's like having that one "friend" in school that always wants you to cause trouble with them. You could either do it & deal with the outcome, or say "no" & walk away. Many people do use Satan (& God) as a scapegoat for their misery, but they're merely redirecting the blame from the person truly at fault...themselves. That is truly how Satan operates. He offers the pretty penny. We either take it or we don't.
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03-23-2005, 01:53 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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| While I don't belive in the the Devil in the traditional sense I have always found the different ways he is portrayed in variouse cultures and mediums rather interesting.
He has been portrayed as a necissary evil, a hate filled beast, a charming beguiler, a tragic fallen angel, a guy who just doesn't see eye to eye with god, etc...
One of my favorite plays is "A History of the Devil" by Clive Barker. In it the Devil is put on trial to see if he is fit to return to heaven.
Although it seems to me that Christianity is more about the good of God/Jesus and less about the evils of satan it appears that the Devil is more of a cultural icon (at least in popular culture) than Jesus or God. (I mean no offense to any Christians, this is just my casual observations)
Peace.
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03-23-2005, 01:57 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
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| The great Satan hisself is red and scaly with a bifurcated tail, and he carries a hay fork.
The evil in the world is proof of satans existance, and the good in the world is proof of god.
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