03-17-2005, 06:25 PM
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#1 | | Registered User
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| How does your club determine its 'team' composition?
One team per club. How do you determine who gets to participate? | 
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03-17-2005, 06:31 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| Hold a club wide tourney and the top 4 finishers that are willing/able to commit to traveling to that tourney are our fencers. Failing that we usually go by ratings to determine team makeup. Start with national points and then go to the letter ratings.
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03-17-2005, 06:32 PM
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| 1st Criteria: ratings
2nd Criteria: how the fencers fare in competition against people they've never fenced before
3rd Criteria: in club fence off
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03-17-2005, 06:37 PM
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| Natural Selection
It's usually pretty obvious who should be on a team.
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03-17-2005, 06:40 PM
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| re club competition: What format would you use - one pool, two pools combined, or pool+DE? | |
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03-17-2005, 06:46 PM
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| We also take into account who has been showing up consistently, and really working on improving. This may or may not be the person at the top of the ratings, but if they're putting in the effort, they might get to go anyway.
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03-17-2005, 06:56 PM
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| Our club tourneys are standard format. Pools followed by DE's. No repechange or anything like that. Gets the fencers used to the flow of the division and section tourneys to make everything as lifelike as possible. We check weapons, give out cards ect. About the only thing we don't do is require two weapons and Cords by the strip or bring in outside judges for our club events.
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03-17-2005, 07:00 PM
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| whoever can make it. If we have more than 4 people, we just make the two weakest fence off for the team slot.
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03-17-2005, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Epee It's usually pretty obvious who should be on a team. | I'm beginning to think that we either fence at the same club, or know each other...
At my club, it's obvious, regardless of results, or who beats who at practice, we know.
I've been at clubs that had strict rules, and even then, we knew who should be on the team. The only time things get weird is when the up and coming Jr.'s are at a stage to give the adults a run for their money, but not quite strong enough. Then there's the debate about either giving the young 'uns experience, or just going for the win...
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03-17-2005, 07:35 PM
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| If three people who fence the same weapon want to go... well then we have a team.
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03-17-2005, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Elemental If three people who fence the same weapon want to go... well then we have a team. | Who can afford to go, who's already going, who has a schedule that can accommodate the team competition, and after that we negotiate.
Then the event is canceled.
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03-17-2005, 11:23 PM
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| Whoever wants to. Of the people that want to, the choices are usually obvious.
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03-17-2005, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Katman Whoever wants to. Of the people that want to, the choices are usually obvious. | Well, yeah. Of course. Goes without saying. 
... Until you have more than four people who want to. And if the choices aren't obvious.
Up to that point it's easy. | |
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03-18-2005, 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor Well, yeah. Of course. Goes without saying.
... Until you have more than four people who want to. And if the choices aren't obvious.
Up to that point it's easy. | What I meant was that we don't have many people at my club (foil fencers anyway). Sorry if I was confusing.
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03-18-2005, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Katman What I meant was that we don't have many people at my club (foil fencers anyway). Sorry if I was confusing. | Sorry for my smart-@$$ response. | |
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03-18-2005, 11:05 AM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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| First off, our club always enters teams of 4 - for variety in the team, to give someone a rest, and in case someone can't make it or gets injured on the day...
The club pays for the entry fee, and everyone in the team pays the club a deposit - when they show up on the day, they get their deposit back.
Teams are selected based on national rankings, with only one exception - if someone who should normally be in the top of the rankings but has been away (somewhere in Europe), then they'll take priority for the #4 spot. This is based on the fact that we want the strongest first team possible! | |
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03-18-2005, 11:21 AM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| I have to agree that it's usually pretty clear.
If not, we do as follows:
1. Have a pool which includes those fencers on the bubble, and is beefed up with the top fencers in the club until it's a pool of 5.
The fencer who *performs* best is the one taken. Sometimes it's still not clear, even after running them through a couple of times. At this point:
2. Give the fencers on the bubble a nasty, tough, mean lesson. The one who deals with it best gets to go. | |
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03-18-2005, 02:39 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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| Now, to qualify a team for a club at division qualifiers ayone who is present is roped in maybe thinking they are qualifying themselves for team if they win. This adds a couple hours to the event and maybe $20 bucks. But in reality the coach would choose his A's and B's for the national team event. Those fencers who were auto qualified and did not need to attend the division qualifier. Talk about being used.... | |
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03-18-2005, 04:05 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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| A combination of:
1. National points
2. An internal points list generated from results in regional events, [shameless plug]calculated automatically by FRED[/shameless plug].
3. Fencers participating in the individual events that the USFA uses to seed the team events
4. Coaches get final say-so.
So basically, fencers earn their way onto the team by performing consistently over the season and by fencing in the seeding events.
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03-18-2005, 06:20 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Longmont, Colorado
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| Anybody who can make it to the tournament and wants to fence that weapon.
We also have a small club. | |
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