03-17-2005, 09:31 AM
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| I have to take issue with your inclusion of the federations. Their letters state that the timings should be re-tested and have offered suggested modifications to these timings. They have taken the balanced view I have been a proponent of.
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03-17-2005, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gav have to take issue with your inclusion of the federations. Their letters state that the timings should be re-tested and have offered suggested modifications to these timings. They have taken the balanced view I have been a proponent of. | May be but between the test and the official, i guess they would take the current official timings (Athens Timings)
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03-17-2005, 10:00 AM
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| Also, Brice Guyard is not in the top 150 points holder list.
Brice Guyart is.
At least learn how to spell the name correctly.
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03-17-2005, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by veeco Also, Brice Guyard is not in the top 150 points holder list.
Brice Guyart is.
At least learn how to spell the name correctly. | Very important remark 
(when one has nothing else to say ...)
But i have never spoken of the ranking here.
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03-22-2005, 04:46 AM
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| Le Caire : Results of declared opponents to the test timings
World Cup - Le Caire
Men's Foil Seniors
18.03.2005
1 . SANZO Salvatore ITA
3 . BISSDORF Ralf GER
3 . CASSARA Andrea ITA
5 . JOPPICH Peter GER
8 . ATTELY Loic FRA
13 . RAMACCI Marco ITA
17 . GOHY Cedric BEL
Who said top foilists were against the test timings because they want
to keep their ranking ?
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04-03-2005, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DanInMI I still don't buy his argument that most foilists disapprove of the new timings.
A valid point, and it goes hand in hand with what I asked earlier - how do you get the opinion of all (or even most) foilists?
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See before in this thread.
Alan or Danimi do not count : even King René has realized that a majority of foilists are against these broken test timings because they will stop (partially)
in September.
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04-26-2005, 10:50 AM
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| seems it is the same for Sabre :-)
27/3/2005 - Birmingham Bronzes
"Birmingham aw a bit of a carve-up in both the mens and womens sabre, as the new timings continue to deceive experienced fencers"
see http://www.laszlosfencing.org/default.aspx
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04-26-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan See before in this thread.
Alan or Danimi do not count : even King René has realized that a majority of foilists are against these broken test timings because they will stop (partially)
in September. |
You said that they will stop (partially) in Sep after .? Please explain to me more on that since i'm going to fence in World Champs (and that is in October). I am really sick and tired of foil fencing right now. Actually i only fenced in one WC this season because i am so sick of this stupid timing. I just want to wait untill things get better (which is no good neither because i get funded directly according to my result and work ranking... no tournament= no result= no $), then i will start to compete a lot again.
By the way, for those people who thinks that top foilists doesn't mind the new timing.... I used to be number 59 in the world before i stopped competing this season because of this stupid timing. Every top fencers that i know hate this new timing. | |
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04-26-2005, 01:38 PM
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| It stops at the end of this season because the new timings is supposed to be tested this season. After the testing season, it will be decided what FIE will do. I've heard everything from going back to original; to going to an 8ms debounce time (my guess); to keeping it as is; to keeping it as is, but increasing blockout time to 400-450ms and removing off target.
Why not this: only one light will go off, and only color lights will go off (no off-target). Sorta like epee but without even the .04ms blockout time.
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04-27-2005, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Madmartigan
By the way, for those people who thinks that top foilists doesn't mind the new timing.... I used to be number 59 in the world before i stopped competing this season because of this stupid timing. Every top fencers that i know hate this new timing.
| Who said that ?
We are still waiting for one foilist ranked in the top 150
in favor of these broken test timings.
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04-27-2005, 01:55 PM
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| The sabre timings are a good thing. If you can't adapt, your not going to win. To me, winning is everything. | |
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04-27-2005, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews The sabre timings are a good thing. If you can't adapt, your not going to win. To me, winning is everything. | You know, you're the first person I've heard say that. I don't fence that much electric sabre, and when I do it's only at a C level, so I personally barely notice it. But every sabre fencer and coach that I've talked to have said that the 120ms lockout in sabre is a *really* bad thing.
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04-27-2005, 04:32 PM
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| Oh so since im not a top level sabre fencer, my opinion doesn't matter. Ok. Thats really intelligent. | |
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04-27-2005, 04:37 PM
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| I don't mind the new timings. I like the chance for more one light touches and less bias. I don't like where a good reposte is beat out by a remise unless I make it. LOL! | |
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04-27-2005, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews Oh so since im not a top level sabre fencer, my opinion doesn't matter. Ok. Thats really intelligent. | Um, C level is a far cry from "top" level saber good sir. I think he is meaning that most of the more experianced fencers, regardless of their rating or skill level think the new timings are a bad idea as they go against the history, feel/flavor and traditions of the sport. Or something like that.
Personally I think they are just great. All that stealing time, setup and footwork that saberists so love does little good when I can get a point attack tap to the wrist by keeping and extended arm and avoid the actuall attack just long enough to lock the other guy out. Whoever came up with that lockout time for saber must have been and epeeists, gods love him! 
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04-27-2005, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Who said that ?
We are still waiting for one foilist ranked in the top 150
in favor of these broken test timings. |
Believe me my friend, there are some people here that think otherwise... poor them. | |
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04-27-2005, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmatthews The sabre timings are a good thing. If you can't adapt, your not going to win. To me, winning is everything. | I'm sorry that i have to disagree with you... I think the new saber timing also cause a lot of stir, negatively. Gond fencing skills and technics are not well rewarded (especially for the reposer). I actually had a conversation with Vladimir Nazlymov and Yuri Gelman a couple of weeks ago... they absolutely hate the new timing for saber....
Overall, i think FIE made some horrible decision... please admit your (R.R.)mistakes... people will forgive you... and it won't be as embarassing as you think. | |
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04-27-2005, 06:11 PM
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| just give up-->it is never gonna go back
the fie cannot change it back to the old way because that would look bad in front of the IOC and foil could be eliminated from the games. stop complaining, do ur footwork, and deal with it. | |
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04-27-2005, 06:15 PM
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