03-15-2005, 07:18 PM
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#1 | | Fencing Expert
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| Tampa world championships - timings, rules?
Hi,
I was reading on the French fencing forum that some of the veteran fencers were wondering what the timings would be used in Tampa, for the veteran world championships?
It seems there is some confusion (as always) as to whether these timings are required for the FIE sponsored veteran events. As far as I remember the new timings were specifically "enabled" for Junior/Cadet events first, then for Senior events, but nothing was specified for Veterans.
Further, some of the French veteran sabre fencers were wondering if lexan masks were required for their event?
Any confirmation regarding these 2 questions from an "official" armourer would be great.
Thanks
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03-15-2005, 07:45 PM
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| Interesting questions. I am not an "official armorer" (nor any kind of armorer) but I heard vaguely that Chuck Allen was going to be the armorer for Tampa (he was there for the last one). Since the US machines that may be used have been switched over to the new timings, I would assume that they wouldn't be reprogrammed especially for the Veterans events. However, I would be exceedingly surprised to hear that the Lexan masks would be required for an event which has not even the remotest possibility of attracting the kind of TV attention those things are hypothetically supposed to enhance.
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03-15-2005, 08:10 PM
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| From the Jan 20, 2005 FIE letter: Quote: Transparent mask: The wear of transparent mask is compulsory starting from 1st March 2005, at Men's and Women's Sabre for all Grand Prix and Team competitions as well as the World Championships (all categories).
It will be compulsory at all weapons for Grand Prix and Team competitions as well as the World Championships (all categories) starting from the 2005 Leipzig World Championships. | Which, assuming the FIE doesn't change the rules again (no guarantee there....) seems to say that the lexan masks will be required for all weapons in Tampa.
-B :)
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03-15-2005, 09:56 PM
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| Oh, creeping cripes.
Since the Veteran Worlds are striving to be taken seriously, perhaps they will have to comply. Speaking of which, if anyone wants to send contributions to the USFA earmarked for the Veteran Worlds, the money will be much appreciated. The last time the championships were held in Tampa the expense of the drug testing was apparently in the thousands*, and the USFA does not have much money earmarked for the Veteran Worlds budget.
*and considering how many medications we're all on, the analysis process must have been interesting to say the least.
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03-16-2005, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt From the Jan 20, 2005 FIE letter:
Which, assuming the FIE doesn't change the rules again (no guarantee there....) seems to say that the lexan masks will be required for all weapons in Tampa.
-B  | This I can tell you is not true. The Veteran Worlds is a month BEFORE the Worlds in Leipzig. Considering the letter from the German President, I am wondering a little before that at the World Cup.
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03-16-2005, 11:44 AM
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| Whoops, yes, DHC is, of course, correct. Need to check my calendars better. The letter therefore means that only sabre would be required to have lexan masks for Tampa (again assuming the letter is actually the rules that will be in force).
-B :)
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03-16-2005, 02:46 PM
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#7 | | Scavenger
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| Oh, lordy. Now I have to go buy one of those things. Do you think there will be some at Summer Nationals? Who makes them? I have been comfortably assuming I didn't have to worry about wearing them since I stopped being eligible to compete in World Cups.
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03-16-2005, 04:59 PM
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| The local Tampa events have all used the new Foil & Saber timings this season. But I do not believe that this was not true at some of the other Central Florida events (e.g. Orlando). I'd hate to think everyone would need to buy those masks!
To be sure, I can ask Chuck Allen and Jim Campoli when I see them this weekend at our 34th Gasparilla Open this weekend. | |
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03-16-2005, 05:10 PM
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| Sorry for the typos...
I meant to post
"The local Tampa events have all used the new Foil & Saber timings this season. But I do not believe that this was true at some of the other Central Florida events (e.g. Orlando). I'd hate to think everyone would need to buy those masks!
To be sure, I can ask Chuck Allen and Jim Campoli when I see them this weekend at our 34th Gasparilla Open."
(I notice that since I have been on muscle relaxants and pain killers for a sprained back (before - during - and after the Denver NAC) I have mis-dialed several phone #'s, sent my credit card info with some reversed numbers, and speak about as well as I fenced! Arg!) | |
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03-16-2005, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Peach Who makes them? | I know that Zivkovic makes a lexan mask. I don't personally have experience with that particular piece of equipment, but I have thus far been satisfied with the condition and quality of everything else I have bought from them. They are the vendor that I primarily buy from. You might want to shop around a little though.
edit: I found that SGfencing also sells an Uhlmann lexan mask, but they want much more for it than Zivkovic wants for theirs. PBT also has one on their site that is fairly competitive in terms of cost. Hope that helps.
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03-16-2005, 05:52 PM
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| LP and Negrini also both make FIE lexan masks in addition to the previous mentioned companies.
-B :)
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03-16-2005, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chakra To be sure, I can ask Chuck Allen and Jim Campoli when I see them this weekend at our 34th Gasparilla Open." | If you could, that would be great. Thanks!
One comment about the new timings:
Strickly speaking, there is no mention that I know of that they must be used in the Veterans world championships. I believe that if one wanted to follow the letter of the law, the old timings would have to be used.
But I am sure that the FIE / the organizers will probably clear up that issue before the event.
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03-16-2005, 07:47 PM
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| If they don't get used, it will be complicated as heck to set up.
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03-16-2005, 08:42 PM
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| Why is that? I can't believe that there is not a single machine in the US who hasn't been moved to the new timings... Or as with the Eigerteks can't be moved back to the old ones easily enough...
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03-18-2005, 10:30 AM
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| I spoke with Jim Campoli this morning. He's the host of the Vet World's in Tampa. They will use all "new timing" machines. Most are already converted, but a few still need chips that are not yet available. But all will be "new" by the tournament.
As for Lexan masks, he said he wasn't requiring them. | |
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03-18-2005, 12:10 PM
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| Maybe sorta off topic, but I heard a rumor that the FIE might consider adding a 40-49 age group to the Veteran World Championships. Anyone knows the truth to that rumor, or am I blowing smoke out of my...?
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03-18-2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chakra As for Lexan masks, he said he wasn't requiring them. | Not sure the host of the event makes that call.... :)
-B :)
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03-18-2005, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by edew Maybe sorta off topic, but I heard a rumor that the FIE might consider adding a 40-49 age group to the Veteran World Championships. Anyone knows the truth to that rumor, or am I blowing smoke out of my...? | Not under consideration at this time.
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03-18-2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Chakra I spoke with Jim Campoli this morning. He's the host of the Vet World's in Tampa. They will use all "new timing" machines. Most are already converted, but a few still need chips that are not yet available. But all will be "new" by the tournament.
As for Lexan masks, he said he wasn't requiring them. | As Brad has pointed out, the local organizer does not make the call.
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03-19-2005, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by edew I heard a rumor that the FIE might consider adding a 40-49 age group to the Veteran World Championships. | This will not happen until the year I turn 50. Not that the FIE concerns itself with individuals, but the Universe does, and if my past luck is any indicator it will not permit such a thing until it is too late for me.  | |
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