03-14-2005, 05:56 PM
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| Against the test timings : Loic Attely
http://www.escrime-info.com/modules/...e=flat&order=0
I saw an interview of Loïc Attely in the free newspaper from my area (Paris area) this day.
"Fencing: in August 2004 the international Federation modified the timings of foil and the sabre ". With a sentence in bold (quotation of Loïc): "ATTACK DOES NOT PAY ANY MORE".
All the interview is a criticism of the new timings
Quote: "does This rule facilitate the task of the referees? Answer: Not really, because the combat becomes more tumble, with more defects, not very academic blows and the referees cannot all see.
Moreover, the material seems to have failures and athletes get busy with ler making analyze to check its reliability ".
The conclusion I also quote it to you:"cela obliges us to purify our style, to set up simpler actions. With the detriment of the spirit of the foil: there is less of physical intensity, creativity and sometimes even of pleasure ". All is said, no ? | 
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03-14-2005, 05:58 PM
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| We are still waiting to see ONE foilist ranked in the top 150 (world ranking)
in favor of the test foil timings ... | |
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03-14-2005, 06:03 PM
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| black ball. | |
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03-14-2005, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by keith black ball. | ????????????????????? | |
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03-14-2005, 06:07 PM
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I have a crazy idea...
Since we have yet to see one foilist in the top 150 like the timings, why don't you only post when you find one who likes them?
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03-14-2005, 06:08 PM
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| Oh no ! I let this for you ... | |
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03-14-2005, 06:09 PM
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| I like that idea achilleus
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03-14-2005, 06:10 PM
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| Well find one !!
The truth is that these timings are plain broken | |
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03-14-2005, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Well find one !!
The truth is that these timings are plain broken | You know, I believe you've mentioned it before. Just like you've mentioned that you can't find one foilist in the top 150 who likes the timings.
It's one thing if someone asks a previously asked question, and you respond (like mentioning colored uniforms and Inq showing up in a cloud of smoke to heckle everybody), however, it's quite a different thing to create topic after topic where you repeat the same things and just clutter up the board.
Everyone on this board is aware that the timings are not popular with the competitiors. Everyone on the board is aware reading about microbreaks, shorting out, and a variety of other issues that have recently come to light.
Everyone on this board is aware of your stance on the timings. And even more importantly, your comments aren't really provocative enough (anymore) to generate an interesting discussion.
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03-14-2005, 06:27 PM
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| No problem. I will continue to inform everyone when a top foilist
gives his advice. Your comments are welcome
By the way i am not interested in being provocative but just
to tell the truth. | |
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03-14-2005, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan No problem. I will continue to inform everyone when a top foilist
gives his advice. Your comments are welcome | Yeah, I figured you would continue.
Much like Roch ignoring the foilists, you'll continue to ignore the board members.
Lucky for us, the board has an ignore feature built in...
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03-14-2005, 06:32 PM
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| You are welcome to ignore me. (and you are not the board members ...)
but I have no power to make decisions against the majority of foilists like his majesty ...
By the way i had created a specific thread to record the opinion of the 150
top foilists ... but it was democratically closed !!! | |
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03-14-2005, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan You are welcome to ignore me. (and you are not the board members ...)
but I have no power to make decisions against the majority of foilists like his majesty ...
By the way i had created a specific thread to record the opinion of the 150
top foilists ... but it was democratically closed !!! | That's because it was democratically decided to be extremely redundant. The fact is that the few people who still support the new timings really don't care what the top 150 foilists think. Actually, most of them probably could not be swayed by any amount of debate. Thus, we've dropped the issue until something new comes up. | |
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03-14-2005, 06:43 PM
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| The opinion of Attely is something new ... | |
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03-14-2005, 06:45 PM
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| No, it really isn't.
We really, really understand you don't like the new timings. | |
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03-14-2005, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan No problem. I will continue to inform everyone when a top foilist
gives his advice. Your comments are welcome
By the way i am not interested in being provocative but just
to tell the truth. | Alan--Thank you very much for taking the time to post the message regarding the published opinion of Attely about the new timings! Obviously, the Parisian paper that you quoted felt that Attely's comments were newsworthy, and I appreciate your effort translating from the French. This news would not have been available to me otherwise.
I think that it is important that the fencing community remain informed of significant developments whether for or against the provisional timings as international pressure continues to build. It is clear to me that your personal opinion is not the primary motivation for your posts.
As a manufacturer of a scoring machine, I am aware of some serious issues that the fencing community at large is not (and I'm not at liberty to reveal), so I've been monitoring developments from external sources as I am able. So again, thank you for taking the time and effort.
Dieter
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03-14-2005, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan The opinion of Attely is something new ... | No it isn't. To be honest, I don't know who Attely is. Nor do I really care. But, since he's in the top 150 foilists, I do know that he doesn't like the new timings, a fact that was established some weeks ago. | |
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03-14-2005, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs The fact is that the few people who still support the new timings really don't care what the top 150 foilists think. | I think the bigger problem is there are only 150 foilists who are part of that group, and we honestly don't know if a single one of them even reads these forums. | |
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03-14-2005, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DieterS Obviously, the Parisian paper that you quoted felt that Attely's comments were newsworthy | The article is very poorly written, there is only one opinion, Attely's, and the interview questions are very swayed and lead Attely to answering with negative comments against the timings. Quote: |
and I appreciate your effort translating from the French. This news would not have been available to me otherwise.
| The translation is incomplete (not even 1/2 of the article was translated) and is most likely the result of an automatic translator, like google translations. It is really not accurate from the French text, but you could have access to the same quality of translation by translating the article in full using google. And you'd get the full article translated too. This is just redundant information.
I'd prefer it if Alan provided just the link to the article: http://193.192.240.14/ee/20minf/defa...?pSetup=20minf
- Then click on "La prime a l'attaque ..." near the bottom.
Anyway, from now on, Alan is on my ignore list as well.
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03-14-2005, 09:32 PM
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| thank you, Alan, for posting. I'm curious to hear these perspectives....whether or not I agree with them (and often I do) | |
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