USA Collegiate Fencing Club Championships (USACFC Championships)

[GreenDot]

Here is the .doc file with the results from the first year:

http://groups.northwestern.edu/fenci...PIONSHIPS4.doc

-James

[noodle]

thanks, greendot.

the results used to be on the usacfc.org page, but its been down quite a while now (hopefully thats on the agenda for the meeting)

[Army Fencer]

Seriously. How are old grads like me supposed to keep up with these things?

[oiuyt]

Whoops, yeah, SJU rather than NYU. One of those NYC schools anyway. :)

As far as eligiblity the rule that matters isn't age-related. The rules specify 4 years of eligibility (Bruce used none of these while at USF) in a window of 5 years starting when you first start attending college (for D1, DIII it's 4 years during the window of your first 10 semesters of attendance IIRC).

In order to fence as a graduate student at an institution other than the one you graduated from you additionally have to fit the criteria for the one-time transfer exception.


-B :)

[Army Fencer]

Can you tranfer after you graduate? :-D

[oiuyt]

According to the rule that I read (I looked it up before posting) if you fit the criteria of the transfer exception then you can fence for a school other than the one you graduated from for whatever remaining eligibility you might have.

Here is the text of the applicable rules:

14.1.9.1 One-Time Transfer Exception. A graduate student who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of an instutution other than the institution from which he or she previously received a baccalaureate degree may participate in intercollegiate athletics if the student fulfills the conditions of the one-time transfer exception set forth in Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10 and has eligibility remaining ber Bylaw 14.2. (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96 for those student athletes who transfer to the certifying institution on or after 8/1/96)

14.5.5.2.10 One-Time Transfer Exception. The student transfers to the certifying institution from another four-year collegiate institution, and all the following conditions are met (for graduate students, see also Bylaw 14.1.9.1):

(a) The student is a participant in a sport other than basketball, Division I-A football or men's ice hockey at the institution to which the student is transferring. A participant in Division I-AA fooball at the institution to which the student is transferring may utilize this exception only if the participant transferred to the certifying institution from an institution that sponsors Division I-A football or the participant transfers from a Division I-AA institution that offers athletically related financial aid in the sport of football to a Division I-AA institution that does not offer athletically related financial aid in football; (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 1/10/95, 11/1/00, effective 8/1/01)

(b) The student has not transferred previously from one four-year institution unless, in the previous transfer, the student-athlete received an exception per Bylaw 14.5.5.2.6 (discontinued/nonsponsored sport exception); (Revised: 1/11/94, 1/11/97)

(c) The student is in good academic standing and meets the progress toward degree requirements. The transferring student must be one who would have been academically eligible had he or she remained at the institution from which the student transferred, and he or she also must be eligible at the certifying institution as a regularly enrolled, full-time, degree-seeking student who was admitted in accordance with the regular, published entrance requirements of the instution. The student shall not be required to fulfill the nexessary percentage-of-degree requirements per Bylaw 14.4.3.2, deleted at the previous institution; (Revised: 1/10/95, 1/9/96)

(d) If the student is transferring from a NCAA or NAIA member institution, the student's previous institution shall certify in writing that it has no objection to the student's being granted an exception to the transfer-residence requirement. If the student's previous institution denies his or her request for the release, the institution shall inform the student-athlete in writing that he or she, upon request, shall be provided a hearing conducted by an institutional entity or committee outside of the athletics department (e.g., the office of student affairs; office of the dean of students; or a committee composed of the facilty athletics representative, student-athletes and nonathletics faculty/staff members). The institution shall have established reasonable procedures for promptly hearing such a request; and (Revised: 1/11/94, 4/26/01)

(e) If the sutdent transfers to the certifying institution from a Division III member institution and meets the foregoing conditions, he or she may be eligible to compete but shall not receive athletically related financial aid during the first academic year in residence at the certifying institution.

The above rules are what are in effect for division I programs (which both St John's, where Bruce now attends, and Temple, for which I work, happen to be). I don't have easy access to rules for any other division.

Basically they treat changing schools after graduation as a transfer if it would fit the one-time transfer exception. Normally what this exception is used for is an exception to the rule that requires at least one year in residence at the new school prior to competing for it after a transfer. In the case of going to a second school after graduating you MUST fit the exception requirements in order to compete at the second school.

I've got hundreds of pages (~500 pages (well, double that if you count the fact that I have both the 2004-2005 and 2003-2004 manuals)) of similar rules sitting on the bookshelf next to my desk. And the book that I've got basically just covers the things that I, as a coach, am likely to encounter (recruiting, eligibility, scholarships, perhaps a bit of other stuff).

Being a compliance officer is NOT one of the the professions that I'm interested in ever having.

-B :)

[MyrddinsPrecint]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

Being a compliance officer is NOT one of the the professions that I'm interested in ever having.

really? why not? you could have so much fun!

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

To quote a local sabre coach before the Atlanta NAC, "No self-respecting sabreur is going to show up tomorrow sober."

I mean, it's nothing like the epeeist who showed up to NCAA's last year utterly hung over but expecting to win...

get it right! the quote was "every self respecting sabre fencer there tomorrow will be hung over." the quote was said by my coach, to me in an effort (successful, btw) to get me to go bar hopping with her the night before my event.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by oiuyt

I know I'm amused to see three first-year college fencers (Telkanuru, whtouche, and MP) making predictions about an event they have never attended when they've never seen ~20 of the teams involved fence.

Telk/Wtouche: Better to not talk big before the event, let your actions at the event do your talking for you at the event, and let others discuss how good you were after the fact. Be confident enough in your/your team's abilities that the results will speak for themselves. Go back to last year's similar thread and see who was talking before and after the event.

http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10522

-B

seconded.

I see at least one threat in six weapon team, at least 3 or 4 for each gender, and at least 3 for MS. I will NOT predict anything.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Point taken, sir. Keeping the ego in check, sir.

Somehow I doubt it....

Also, the fact that you have some college credit does NOT make you a "transfer" when you enter college three months after graduating high school.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by Army Fencer

Predictions:

ME:
1. Northwestern
2. UMass
~4th Navy
~6th Army
(Barlow taking first)

Is Bralow actually fencing this year? last year, he didn't.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Yeah, he does that.

And I have no idea, he just hasn't been to *anything* and rumor has it he burnt out or something. Otherwise, we may not have 9-0'ed UNH at New England's

That boy was BORN burnt out.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally Posted by whtouche

Orin this year at new englands fenced better than I've seen him do all season, and better than I've ever seen him fence save for one occasion when he earned his B.
I think if he can keep it up and get the mental blocks out of the way he'll do as I expected him to do last year. Importantly he knows that most of his problems are mental and has been actively trying to work through it, in part by going to more USFA stuff to be able to more easily aclimate himself to a competitive mindset.

I'll be wearing a jamaican sweatband. Yeah.

you mean a PdF sweatband.

-m

[GreenDot]

Originally Posted by epeemike81

Is Bralow actually fencing this year? last year, he didn't.

-m

Yes, he is.

-James

[noodle]

tick tock tick tock
less than a week remaining.

whats up?

[TooLoftheDeviL]

Originally Posted by noodle

tick tock tick tock
less than a week remaining.

whats up?

Seriously, no parties besides the one in MP's room eh?

[noodle]

how about we rally up some teams and rent out a theater's showing of sin city? i think we're going to be in town earlyish, our flight leaves at 9am. i think.

[whtouche]

Originally Posted by noodle

how about we rally up some teams and rent out a theater's showing of sin city? i think we're going to be in town earlyish, our flight leaves at 9am. i think.

My gf and I NEED to see that movie and have been thinking of trying to turn it into a UMass team event on the day we arrive(friday)
If other people happen to be there, that's cool too I s'pose
Our flight leaves providence at 12 noon I believe, it should be a ~3 hour flight.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by whtouche

My gf and I NEED to see that movie and have been thinking of trying to turn it into a UMass team event on the day we arrive(friday)
If other people happen to be there, that's cool too I s'pose
Our flight leaves providence at 12 noon I believe, it should be a ~3 hour flight.

i think we're leaving here at 9am. i'm not positive, i'll have to check. flying into detroit, because we couldn't get one anywhere else, renting cars, and driving in. if you really want to do this, we could give you guys a lift

if there's a freakin theater, of course. and things work out.