03-08-2005, 08:17 PM
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| NCAA championship participants
Here's the list of participants for the NCAA championship: http://www.ncaasports.com/fencing/story/8268923 | 
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03-08-2005, 08:43 PM
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| Mariel Zagunis qualified??
i was so worried. 
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03-08-2005, 08:45 PM
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| It's nice to see two of my former fencers making it to the championships!
(I was their high school coach; I think perhaps their club coach and the fencers themselves should get at least a small portion of the credit as well.  )
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03-08-2005, 09:42 PM
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| Now that the list is out we can start the predictions rolling... NCAA pool, anyone?
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03-08-2005, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AndrewH Now that the list is out we can start the predictions rolling... NCAA pool, anyone? | By NCAA pool, Andrew, of course, means without any form of gambling, which would relieve him of his three remaining years of eligiblity.... :)
-B :)
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03-08-2005, 10:05 PM
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| How does the whole eligibility system work for the NCAA anyway? | |
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03-08-2005, 10:17 PM
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| ME: Arpad Horvath
MF: Jesus, I'm glad I'm not fencing that
MS: Sergey Isayenko
No clue about the women's events. | |
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03-08-2005, 10:36 PM
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| MF: Sinkin
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03-08-2005, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt By NCAA pool, Andrew, of course, means without any form of gambling, which would relieve him of his three remaining years of eligiblity....
-B | Of course, such a pool would be purely hypothetical, for the purpose of speculation...
Edit: forgot to make MY predictions... just for sabre, I'm not that knowledgable about the field in other weapons.
1. Isayenko
2. Crompton
3. Boghicev
4. Igoe
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03-08-2005, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by mackillian How does the whole eligibility system work for the NCAA anyway? | Basically you get 4 years of eligiblity. Some things can cost you eligiblity (you must be an amateur, gambling on sports is a no-no, etc.). There are LOTS of other provisions (a several hundred page book with most of the applicable regulations is sitting on my bookshelf, and I need to be able to pass a test (IIRC 2 hour time limit, and I used the full time this past fall when I took it for the first time) on limited portions of it (mostly the recruiting and some eligibility chapters).
There have been a number of threads related to the topic here in the past. If you have specific questions I can try to get you correct answers.
That said, there's a reason that every college and university has a full-time NCAA compliance officer to make sure their athletes, coaches, and staff stay on the correct side of the sometimes Byzantine lines drawn in the various regulations. Well, not including the few schools that don't sponsor NCAA sports (or sponsor only a very few sports).
-B :)
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03-08-2005, 10:44 PM
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| ahhahaha. thanks for keeping us all in line brad  [in response to the gambling and such]
oh yah- my predictions:
WF- 1. cross 2. zimmerman 3/4. leahy or h. thompson
funny how you only focus on the weapon you fence. wish i could go to watch and cheer on my teammates. go unc!
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03-08-2005, 11:02 PM
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| wes newkirk should do well | |
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03-08-2005, 11:53 PM
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| MF: Kennard in the top 4
MS:
Crompton
Rogers
Igoe
Isayenko
I don't know how you can go against Crompton...defending champ and all.
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03-08-2005, 11:53 PM
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| Does anyone know the specifics on how you qualify for the NCAA champs btw?
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03-09-2005, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheCat263 wes newkirk should do well | I would actually pick wes newkirk to finish close to the bottom.
He's a decent fencer to be sure, but a pretty small fish in that pond.
As for MF, to the person who picked sinkin: Which one?
I agree with Cross for WF.
Tim Hagamen should finish near the top for MS.
I would also put steve gerberman near the top for MF.
Otherwise no specific predictions.
Edit: Iris Zimmerman is still in college? How old is she?
Felicia is the older sister then I assume.
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03-09-2005, 12:06 AM
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| There was another thread on that very subject. To make it very simple, each region has so many entries, based on number of schools and how they did at the NCAA's in the near past. There are also a couple of at-large entries, which the national body administers. Fencers are picked from their region, by how they did at the regional, how well they did during the year, which teams they competed against.
One other eligibility rule is the 5-year rule. You are no longer eligible once it has been over 5 years, since you started as a full time student. There are few exceptions, the main one is military service. The clock stops WHILE you are on active duty.
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03-09-2005, 02:00 AM
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| Non Panchan for MF. | |
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03-09-2005, 02:53 AM
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| NCAA Women's epee:
Garina over Walton again this year for 1st and 2nd. | |
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03-09-2005, 03:02 AM
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| Those making the top-4:
ME:
Soren Thompson
Ben Solomon
Arpad Horvath
Michal Sobieraj
MF:
Gabriel Sinkin
Boaz Ellis
Nonpatat Panchan
Nitai Kfir
MS:
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Benjamin Igoe
Sergey Isayenko
WE:
Anna Garina
Jean Goto
Alexie Rubin
Kerry Walton
WF:
Emily Cross
Hannah Thompson
Andrea Ament
Alicja Kryczalo
Diana Schawlowski
WS:
Emily Jacobson
Mariel Zagunis
Amelia Galliard
Emma Baratta
Surprised that Annika Eiremo didn't make it for UPenn.
Team finish:
1. Notre Dame
2. Ohio State
3. St John's U (they have a full 12-person team)
4. Penn State (while fielding 11, they don't have any heavy guns)
5. Columbia U (might put Columbia ahead of Penn State)
6. Harvard
7. Princeton
8. U Penn
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03-09-2005, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by edew Those making the top-4:
ME:
Soren Thompson
Ben Solomon
Arpad Horvath
Michal Sobieraj
MF:
Gabriel Sinkin
Boaz Ellis
Nonpatat Panchan
Nitai Kfir
MS:
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Benjamin Igoe
Sergey Isayenko
WE:
Anna Garina
Jean Goto
Alexie Rubin
Kerry Walton
WF:
Emily Cross
Hannah Thompson
Andrea Ament
Alicja Kryczalo
Diana Schawlowski
WS:
Emily Jacobson
Mariel Zagunis
Amelia Galliard
Emma Baratta
Surprised that Annika Eiremo didn't make it for UPenn.
Team finish:
1. Notre Dame
2. Ohio State
3. St John's U (they have a full 12-person team)
4. Penn State (while fielding 11, they don't have any heavy guns)
5. Columbia U (might put Columbia ahead of Penn State)
6. Harvard
7. Princeton
8. U Penn | Unfortunately, Annika Eiremo has been injured all season, and did not compete in her last five meets including the IFA’s and NCAA Regional Qualifiers.
I’d keep an eye on Penn’s freshman foilist Ron Berkowsky who won both the IFA foil championship, and Mid-Atlantic South NCAA Regional Qualifiers.
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