Question on Penalties

[Cal]

If you receive a red card (no previous yellows) can you then receive a
yellow card or is it after the first red card, any penality thereafter is
also a red (except in the case of receiving a black card)?

[Harold Buck]

In article <B01Xd.111340$Th1.17801@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Cal" <ehlee_74@yahoo.net> wrote:

> If you receive a red card (no previous yellows) can you then receive a
> yellow card or is it after the first red card, any penality thereafter is
> also a red (except in the case of receiving a black card)?


Only your first card can be yellow. If you get a red, you cannot then
get a yellow card (although black is still an option).

Similarly, if your first card is black, you cannot then get a yellow or
a red card.

:-)

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

[Tim Schofield]

In article
<no_one_knows-22106A.13340307032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, Harold
Buck <no_one_knows@comcast.net> writes
>In article <B01Xd.111340$Th1.17801@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Cal" <ehlee_74@yahoo.net> wrote:
>
>> If you receive a red card (no previous yellows) can you then receive a
>> yellow card or is it after the first red card, any penality thereafter is
>> also a red (except in the case of receiving a black card)?
>
>
>Only your first card can be yellow. If you get a red, you cannot then
>get a yellow card (although black is still an option).

Surely only true if the red is in group one. If you get a red for group
two or three, then a subsequent group one offence will still be yellow.
For example, if you are two minutes late, and then straighten your
weapon on the metallic piste, you get a red card (group 3) followed by a
yellow card (group 1).

>
>Similarly, if your first card is black, you cannot then get a yellow or
>a red card.
>
> :-)
>
>--Harold Buck
>
[snip sig]
--
Regards,
Tim S.

[Harold Buck]

In article <ji12BwDLCkLCFAdM@oaktree.mail.foxtree.co.uk>,
Tim Schofield <tim@foxtree.co.uk> wrote:

> In article
> <no_one_knows-22106A.13340307032005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, Harold
> Buck <no_one_knows@comcast.net> writes
> >In article <B01Xd.111340$Th1.17801@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > "Cal" <ehlee_74@yahoo.net> wrote:
> >
> >> If you receive a red card (no previous yellows) can you then receive a
> >> yellow card or is it after the first red card, any penality thereafter is
> >> also a red (except in the case of receiving a black card)?
> >
> >
> >Only your first card can be yellow. If you get a red, you cannot then
> >get a yellow card (although black is still an option).
>
> Surely only true if the red is in group one. If you get a red for group
> two or three, then a subsequent group one offence will still be yellow.
> For example, if you are two minutes late, and then straighten your
> weapon on the metallic piste, you get a red card (group 3) followed by a
> yellow card (group 1).


Surely you are incorrect:

t . 1 1 6 The first infringement, in this first group, is penalized by a
Yellow Card (warning). If during the same bout the fencer commits the
same or a different offence in this group, the Referee penalizes him, on
each occasion, with a Red Card (penalty touch). *****If the fencer at
fault has already been penalized by a Red Card because of an offence
listed in the second or third group, he receives a further Red Card for
his first infringement relating to the first group.******

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

[Mauler]

You are entitled to one warning (Yellow Card), and one only in every bout. After that point, every offense results in a penalty (Red/Black Card). Once you have received a penalty, there are no warnings, only more penalties.

[oiuyt]

Another interesting thing to note is that if multiple penalties are being assessed at the same time to a fencer (generally only true at the beginning of a bout when multiple rules are being checked), they are applied from most to least severe.

For example, show up on the strip missing an inspection mark and with non-conforming (missing tip screw, whatever) equipment. Regardless of the order that the referee notices these two infractions, you will be starting the bout having given your opponent 2 touches (red card (group II) for the missing mark, then a red card (group I) for the non-conforming equipment).

-B :)