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Sabre-Science
|     | 5 | 11.11% | |
Sabre-Art
|    | 3 | 6.67% | |
Sabre-Truth
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Foil-Science
|    | 8 | 17.78% | |
Foil-Art
|    | 3 | 6.67% | |
Foil-Truth
|    | 0 | 0% | |
Epee-Science
| | 6 | 13.33% | |
Epee-Art
| | 0 | 0% | |
Epee-Truth
| | 7 | 15.56% | |
Poll is flawed
| | 13 | 28.89% | 
03-06-2005, 05:08 AM
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| Art? Science? Theatre? Truth?
"Foil is art, sabre is theatre, epee is truth." But is it? In an effort to determine the answer to this question, I have developed this poll. That and the people I live with are having a noisy party and I can't go to sleep.
Science means science related major or job, such as chemistry, medicine, or engineering.
Art means art related like fine art, history, philosophy. (So, I suppose theatre actually belongs here.)
Truth means, well, truth. Yep.
Apologies for all errors. It is late right now. But too noist to sleep.
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03-06-2005, 07:22 AM
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| Since when is History art? I thought it was supposed to be more truthish.
I'm guessing that Truth includes all occupations that are neither scientists nor artists? And does this poll imply that science is not truth? And that art is not truth?
Presumptions are flawed. Poll is flawed.
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03-06-2005, 11:30 AM
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| Supposed to be truth. Head over to the Politics folder for a bit to see what history really is... | |
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03-06-2005, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Have At You Presumptions are flawed. Poll is flawed. | Flaws are flawed. | |
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03-06-2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata Flaws are flawed. |
But sabre is art....
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03-06-2005, 02:30 PM
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| Modern art. People throwing a bunch of pieces of scrap-metal together in random and ugly ways, and calling it art...yep, that's sabre. | |
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03-06-2005, 03:46 PM
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| At least it's a mobile...unlike, say, epee... | |
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03-06-2005, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Point_Left "Foil is art, sabre is theatre, epee is truth." But is it? In an effort to determine the answer to this question, I have developed this poll. That and the people I live with are having a noisy party and I can't go to sleep.
Science means science related major or job, such as chemistry, medicine, or engineering.
Art means art related like <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=fine%20art" onmouseover="window.status='fine art'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">fine art</a>, history, philosophy. (So, I suppose theatre actually belongs here.)
Truth means, well, truth. Yep.
Apologies for all errors. It is late right now. But too noist to sleep. | when you say art, i think you mean humanities. that includes history and philosophy without theature.
i think there's a problem with calling anything truth, because none of them are really honest.
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03-07-2005, 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Soldier Modern art. People throwing a bunch of pieces of scrap-metal together in random and ugly ways, and calling it art...yep, that's sabre. | Is Epee french for "hey, let's watch paint dry!" or something like that? I might be wrong... 
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03-07-2005, 01:20 AM
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| Actually, I think it translates more to, "I am better than you for I expend fewer calories." This is French, after all; it all has to do with being better than anybody else.
Hence why I fenced foil. | |
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03-07-2005, 02:12 AM
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| I like the new idea of epee is science now. Looks like i'm gonna have to change my sig.
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03-07-2005, 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Soldier Modern art. People throwing a bunch of pieces of scrap-metal together in random and ugly ways, and calling it art...yep, that's sabre. | A stunning exhibition of your gross ignorance of both sabre and modern art.... 
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03-07-2005, 04:05 PM
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| Nonrepresentational sculpture is frequently aesthetically unappealing to the general public. When such art is fixed in a public place, where one is practically forced to look at it, a sense of resentment is quickly developed in those who don't appreciate the art. This sense of resentment and dislike is easily generalized to the conclusion that modern art is a bunch of cr8p.
Ignorance of modern sabre is equally understandable. A non-sabreur watching it is bound to be confused.
You seem to have a problem with people who don't understand, and therefore don't like, arcana with which you may be familiar. Why?
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03-07-2005, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapinpeg
You seem to have a problem with people who don't understand, and therefore don't like, arcana with which you may be familiar. Why?
| Modern art shouldn't be arcane to anyone with a modicum of education.
Sabre shouldn't be arcane to anyone with a modicum of familiarity with fencing.
I may not like foil or epee, but I understand them, and while I might make jokes about epeeists having roots instead of feet, or foilists being neurasthenic twits, I actually do appreciate both weapons, especially at the higher levels, where the action is actually easier to understand because it is cleaner.
I don't have a problem with people who don't understand, but rather with people who obtusely refuse to try to understand--especially when they happen to denigrate things that I have studied in some detail and that I find very beautiful, at least at times.
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03-07-2005, 10:09 PM
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| This poll doesn't allow me to vote foil whatever I think the best is and degrade the rest of the weapons as well. Flawed flawed flawed!
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03-07-2005, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sabreur A stunning exhibition of your gross ignorance of both sabre and modern art....
MR | "Just because nobody understands you, doesn't make you an artist."
And for the record, I've nothing against sabre. Never really liked epee, but that's just personal taste. Any jabs I make here are all in good fun. | |
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03-07-2005, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sabreur I may not like foil or epee, but I understand them, and while I might make jokes about epeeists having roots instead of feet, or foilists being neurasthenic twits, I actually do appreciate both weapons, especially at the higher levels, where the action is actually easier to understand because it is cleaner. |
Neurasthenic? Has no one ever told you that you should never use big words when efficiently succinct verbiage would surffice? Besides Neurasthenia is an outdated and flawed misdiagnosis that is no longer in common medical parlance. Now that I think of it, Neurasthenia does have a bit to do with classical saber in that it is no longer easily recognized and its use is actively discouraged...
Oh and epee is truth. Granted truth depends on your point of view. All three weapons are, however FACT which is higher than truth, art or science so can't we all just get along and work together to plot the demise of a certain FIE official who's very verminlike existance threatens the FACTS that we all adhear to so deeply?
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03-08-2005, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Soldier "Just because nobody understands you, doesn't make you an artist."
And for the record, I've nothing against sabre. Never really liked epee, but that's just personal taste. Any jabs I make here are all in good fun. | Huh, huh, huh, huh, wheeze....
Sabreur stops hyperventilating and, somewhat shamefaced, gets down off his soapbox.....
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03-08-2005, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer Neurasthenia is an outdated and flawed misdiagnosis that is no longer in common medical parlance. | And yet, it's still so descriptive...like "ectomorph". | |
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03-09-2005, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Inquartata And yet, it's still so descriptive...like "ectomorph". | And perfectly suited to somewhat old-fashioned insults--what the hell do I care if it is no longer "common medical parlance?" It is a beautiful word, and so appropriate to foil.....   
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