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Old 03-03-2005, 04:38 PM   #21
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I am ashamed of all of you. Look Very, very closely at T.57.3.b. It has NOTHING to do with this. This is Epee, not Foil.
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I am ashamed of all of you. Look Very, very closely at T.57.3.b. It has NOTHING to do with this. This is Epee, not Foil.
sir I meant T.68.3.d sir, sorry sir


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Old 03-03-2005, 04:58 PM   #23
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I know the rules very well and I knew right away the the 50's are Foil, 60's, Epee and 70's Sabre. But even though I do know the rules, I get out the rule book and double check before I quote a rule.

I will misquote Will Rogers, I never met anyone who has made no mistakes. Thank you for correcting the rule #.
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Yeah, but aren't tip screws a hell of a lot harder to fiddle with unobtrusively on strip than a barrel?

It also sounds like a misreading, given that if the fencer doesn't do anything (say, stands on guard and calls out to the referee) they still don't get the opportunity of annulment, which they ought to, if annulment exists.
Epee fencers can be very inventive....

Back in the early 90's, there was local Epee fencer who played around with the idea of using brittle tip screws and/or not screwing them all the way in. Refereeing standard was very low in the area, and more often than not, events were self-directed. In a room full of people who has never seen shims and weights, it was very easy for him to use his rigged weapon whenever he pleased.

Idea was that whenever a situation arises where he's likely to be scored upon, or he doesn't like the touch he received (like toward the end of the bout), he would slam the point on the floor and there would be a good chance that the tip would fly off the barrel. Then he would point his weapon toward a poor "director" who has never seen a fencing rule book in his life and demand that he tests the tip and consequently annul the touch.

There were many other tricks he came up with and put to good use for a little while. But he never put as much effort into improving his own fencing. If he ever made it to the Sectional or National level, qualified Epee referees would have eaten him alive.
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According to the scenario presented here, a non-functional weapon would still not get the touch annulled, if there is one tip screw missing.
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According to the scenario, the test isn't made in any event. I don't like the sound of that, absent some explanation such as the one you gave for the barrel.
This sounds like fishy reffing to me. The presence or absence of one tip screw is immaterial to wether or not the weapon works. I just re-read t.66-t.68. It does not say anthing about forgoing the testing if the weapon is non-conforming.

Following the incorrect logic, look at this scenario. Two fencers (X and Y) lunge together and hit. Only X's light goes off. In the collision, Y's blade acquires a 45 degree kink. Now Y's blade is nonconforming and Y cannot ask for a test of his/her weapon. Is this any less ridiculous than not testing because of a missing tip screw?

Mr. Epee: My conclusion is that you were correct, the initial situation was handled incorrectly by the ref.
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