02-27-2005, 06:06 PM
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| Hail Mary Lunge
What are the times when you do a move successfully in a bout that you never thought you could do?
I say this because my coach has been working with me to execute a good, long lunge that I'm capable of while bouting. But I've never had confidence in my lunges, so I never did them to their full extent. Yesterday, in a tourney bout, there were 4 seconds left on the clock, I was down 3-2 (it was against a friend from my club, too). All my friend had to do was run way the hell back to his end of the strip as fast as he could and avoid me for four seconds.
He did. "Fence!" And he booked it into a retreat. I knew I had to get the touch and without thinking, just LUNGED. It turned out to be the longest, most beautiful lunge I've ever done. My friend was a mile away (his words) and I got him in the belly. I didn't care at the point what happened, because I was pleased with the lunge itself--I hadn't thought I was capable of it it until then.
I wasn't even frustrated that time expired mid lunge and the timer beeped twice (out of four beeps) THEN my point landed.
I think because I learned something about my fencing and I had a whole lot of fun fencing my friend.
What have others experienced in being able to execute things they never thought they could? | 
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02-27-2005, 06:30 PM
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| One time, in epee, I was up against a rather large person (six something, and reasonably bulky) who was a VERY good flecher. And once he got that body in motion (which took like zero time), it was nearly impossible to stop.
So he fleches at my chest, and I take an expert opposition one riposte to thigh so fast that I didn't know it happened. All I knew was that he hit me, and that I had deflected his blade, hit his thigh, and that my light was on.
I liked that touch.  | |
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02-27-2005, 07:08 PM
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| I've jumped over a guys shoulder once. I fleched, he ducked, I jumped, his him in the knee on the way over. People say I looked a little bit like a pole vaulter when I did that, with my blade as a pole, right onto his knee. I didnt think it would work, but I was down, and I needed points bad. I've also done some long lunges from the engarde line, that somehow hit.
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02-27-2005, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mackillian What have others experienced in being able to execute things they never thought they could? | "Le grand écart" (the splits)...................  | |
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02-28-2005, 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs So he fleches at my chest, and I take an expert opposition one riposte to thigh so fast that I didn't know it happened. All I knew was that he hit me, and that I had deflected his blade, hit his thigh, and that my light was on.
I liked that touch. | Yeah, we execute our moves best when we're not thinking about it.. I score hits to the wrist without even intending to, and when I do set out to make that angulated hit, I nearly always miss  | |
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02-28-2005, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by angriff Yeah, we execute our moves best when we're not thinking about it.. I score hits to the wrist without even intending to, and when I do set out to make that angulated hit, I nearly always miss | A similar thing happened to me. I was fencing an A in an open and he went for a flick and then next thing I knew my point was stuck between his hand and his grip and my light was on. It was awesome and I hadn't even thought about it.
Another time was when I went for a lunge expecting my opponent to retreat but she lunged at me and we both missed and out of sheer frustration I did a sort of flicky thing with my blade and hit her on the back with my point over her shoulder. It was sweet and later I got to pretend I did it on purpose. | |
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03-01-2005, 12:19 PM
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| A properly executed body evasion (esquive) can be well planned like any counter-attack. Unfortunately, I get little practice in them so I still often execute them with the obligatory leap of faith.
At one tournament, however, the fates smiled upon me and I was able to execute successfully, not one, not two, but four body evasions (two against the same opponent). The evasions were the inquartata (demi-volte), the passata- soto and the cartoccio. I was especially proud of the cartoccio as I executed it with just the right timing, distance and angle of attack into the opponent's fleche. Trying to mix things up a bit I decided that I the next time I would try to get him to fleche I would attack advancing into the fleche. His blade passed above my left shoulder as I shortened the distance ducking under as he fleched and brought my blade in low. That was one of the guttsiest moves I think I ever tried... my heart was pounding for minutes afterwards!
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03-01-2005, 05:10 PM
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| once in an open during a pool bout, i was fencing a club mate and i decided to try something new. I just hopped back and forth and drew an attack and tried to duck and hit the arm. after missing terribly i was taught to just jumpt into a fleche and hope to hit him in the chest. instead i jumped in a sabre parry 5 and managed to flick to the back before i crossed shoulders. It was very shocking to see my light on but very entertaining to those watching.
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03-01-2005, 05:32 PM
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| Ah same here, except in foil. Same fleche, same duck, same jump over, and nailed the opponent on the back. It was during the old timings, so I doubt it could ever happen again during the new timings. | |
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03-02-2005, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mackillian .
I wasn't even frustrated that time expired mid lunge and the timer beeped twice (out of four beeps) THEN my point landed. | If you launched the attack before the beeping that signalled the halt, then the hit was yours. The rules state that if the action (read:l unge) has already begun, then it's in time. Congrats!
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03-03-2005, 01:55 AM
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| Well...damn. | |
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03-03-2005, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by pammie003 If you launched the attack before the beeping that signalled the halt, then the hit was yours. The rules state that if the action (read:l unge) has already begun, then it's in time. Congrats! | Try convincing a scoring apparatus with a timer controlled automatic shutoff of that sometime ... | |
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03-03-2005, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by pammie003 If you launched the attack before the beeping that signalled the halt, then the hit was yours. The rules state that if the action (read:l unge) has already begun, then it's in time. Congrats! | Not when time expires!
t.32 specifically states that the bout stops when time expires (as indicated by the audibal signal of the timer). It also requires a scoring apparatus equipped with an automatic timer automatically be cut off from receiving additional signals. In cases where the clock is not linked to the scoring machine and the time keeper stops the bout with a "Halt" or other audible signal and even a ‘coup lancé’ is not valid. Therefore even if the action that results in a touch is underway prior to the expiration of time it will not count unless the touch arrives prior to the expiration of time. | |
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