Lesson: viable?

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Okay, I'm working on an action to teach a guy, tell me if the lesson I'm giving is any good.

C: Lowers arm, exposing top of wrist
S: Attack to top of wrist
C: Attempt tierce parry
Variable-If student does not make attack succesfully, he disengages around the tierce parry, and attacks the bottom of the exposed wrist. Otherwise he continues with attack, trying to hit top of coaches wrist.
Variable- if student fails the attack to bottom of exposed wrist, he remises to thigh.
Variable-it coach attempts counter attack or stop hit, student gives parry 4 riposte to chest, or parry 1 riposte to thigh.

its basically an attack where the student is trying to make the shot to the exposed wrist, and has the option if the coach parries, to disengage around and hit the bottom wrist, if he misses, he goes for the thigh, if the coach counters, student either parries 1 or 4, and ripostes.

Sorry I cant write this stuff down better, but its an action I want to teach to a team mate, so then they can perfect it, and drill me in the action. Student teaching student basically. Critique please.

[ReverseLunge]

no no. Tiece parry is the wrong parry for a wrist attack. Tierce parry if for a lunge/fleche to the torso or head. As long as the tip of your opponent's blade is somewhat passe and completely out of line. If you tierce parry an attack to the top of the wrist then you won't have anywhere to riposte to unless yo step in and that could get you hit. Bad drill Grant.

[LUDICROUS]

DFP=Grant ?

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

no no. Tiece parry is the wrong parry for a wrist attack. Tierce parry if for a lunge/fleche to the torso or head. As long as the tip of your opponent's blade is somewhat passe and completely out of line. If you tierce parry an attack to the top of the wrist then you won't have anywhere to riposte to unless yo step in and that could get you hit. Bad drill Grant.

but there are many different sizes of the tierce parry. A full blown tierce parry is the wrong move, but a small teirce, just enough so that the opponents blade is cleared of your target, would be quite effective for a riposte to the shoulder.

[ReverseLunge]

but there are many different sizes of the tierce parry. A full blown tierce parry is the wrong move, but a small teirce, just enough so that the opponents blade is cleared of your target, would be quite effective for a riposte to the shoulder.

what you're talking about sounds more like a counter 6 parry.

[Alain]

but there are many different sizes of the tierce parry. A full blown tierce parry is the wrong move, but a small teirce, just enough so that the opponents blade is cleared of your target, would be quite effective for a riposte to the shoulder.

True - another option you might consider from tierce, especially against a leftie, is to envelop the blade and take it round into a croisé... should make a nice crunching noise as the hit lands in the ribs...

Anyway, your basic lesson sounds like a good exercise. Make sure to work the other person's distance, focusing on point control and good technique. Keep it simple, build it up slowly and then work on speed later.

Good luck

[garyhayenga]

but there are many different sizes of the tierce parry. A full blown tierce parry is the wrong move, but a small teirce, just enough so that the opponents blade is cleared of your target, would be quite effective for a riposte to the shoulder.

No, tierce would still be ineffective, it is too slow, both for the parry and the riposte. Six or counter-six is what you need in this situation.

The pronated parries, tierce, seconde or prime are too slow in epee unless your opponent has overcommitted, or can be convinced to overcommit.

gary hayenga

[garyhayenga]

Okay, I'm working on an action to teach a guy, tell me if the lesson I'm giving is any good.

C: Lowers arm, exposing top of wrist
S: Attack to top of wrist
C: Attempt tierce parry
Variable-If student does not make attack succesfully, he disengages around the tierce parry, and attacks the bottom of the exposed wrist. Otherwise he continues with attack, trying to hit top of coaches wrist.
Variable- if student fails the attack to bottom of exposed wrist, he remises to thigh.
Variable-it coach attempts counter attack or stop hit, student gives parry 4 riposte to chest, or parry 1 riposte to thigh.

its basically an attack where the student is trying to make the shot to the exposed wrist, and has the option if the coach parries, to disengage around and hit the bottom wrist, if he misses, he goes for the thigh, if the coach counters, student either parries 1 or 4, and ripostes.

Sorry I cant write this stuff down better, but its an action I want to teach to a team mate, so then they can perfect it, and drill me in the action. Student teaching student basically. Critique please.

- C: Lowers arm, exposing top of wrist

Okay

- S: Attack to top of wrist

Okay

- C: Attempt tierce parry

Since the drill is for the attacker the coach should be making six or counter-six, since this will be what the student will face against an opponent.

- Variable-If student does not make attack succesfully, he disengages around the tierce parry, and attacks the bottom of the exposed wrist. Otherwise he continues with attack, trying to hit top of coaches wrist.

So the coach has retreated with the parry?

- Variable- if student fails the attack to bottom of exposed wrist, he remises to thigh.

Why would it matter if he failed the attack, if the tempo is there (given) shouldn't he remise to thigh anyway?

- Variable-it coach attempts counter attack or stop hit, student gives parry 4 riposte to chest, or parry 1 riposte to thigh.

So the couch is counter-attacking to the body or stop-hitting to arm here? A prime parry much too slow here in either case. If counter-attacking to the body then parry-four and riposte to shoulder, not chest, is okay, but if counter-attacking or stop-hitting to arm then the student should be finishing with an opposition to upper arm here.

gary hayenga

[Mr Epee]

If student does not make attack succesfully, snip...
Otherwise he continues with attack,
snip...
trying to hit top of coaches wrist.

Variable- if student fails the attack to bottom of exposed wrist, he remises to thigh.

snip...

Variable-it coach attempts counter attack or stop hit,

snip...

Sorry I cant write this stuff down better, {snip} Critique please.

DFP -

A little hint here... Please use articles {a, an, the}. Leaving them out makes you sound like a 3rd rate american hack that thinks talking weird makes him sound somehow more like a coach.

Just because some eurotrash coach doesn't speak perfect english doesn't mean that should do the same. In fact, it's kind of like making fun of a disability.

Not cool and it makes you sound like a jackass.

[RebelFencer]

Yay! Let's play the "Pick apart random pieces of writing game!" Dude, come on...he's just asking for advice. If you're so thin skinned that someone's writing got to you perhaps you should stay away from the internet.

Not cool and it makes you sound like a jackass.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

DFP -

A little hint here... Please use articles {a, an, the}. Leaving them out makes you sound like a 3rd rate american hack that thinks talking weird makes him sound somehow more like a coach.

Just because some eurotrash coach doesn't speak perfect english doesn't mean that should do the same. In fact, it's kind of like making fun of a disability.

Not cool and it makes you sound like a jackass.

it was 1:57 am when I wrote that article.... christ. Forgive me for my bad grammar when I wrote that stuff, I was tired, and I was curious.

[Tiwaz]

DFP whats the point to the lesson? are you doing a technical or tactical lesson?
If it's a tactical lesson i would do something like

C- (in distance) invites hit to wrist.
S- Hits to wrist
C-(out of distance) Invites hit to wrist. Attempts parry on S's feint.
S- student feints to wrist followed by reprise with opposistion to forearm

Once you've worked the basic routine allow the student to take control of the foot work choosing their own time to do each of the actions.

I would leave out counter attacks but keep them in reserve in case you nee them.

Ps Mr Epee your a pillock.

A Eurotrash coach.

[Epeecurean]

The pronated parries, tierce, seconde or prime are too slow in epee unless your opponent has overcommitted, or can be convinced to overcommit.

gary hayenga

I agree with gary on this. The pronated parries are best used at close distance / infighting distance (usually resulting from an overcommitted attack) where they allow good angulations.

Prime works very well as a ceding parry. I sometimes use tierce/second as a beat-attack to the hand/wrist, keeping the hand pronated for the flick after the tierce beat or half-pronated after a seconde beat.

But in the end, 6-8-4 is the key parry system in epee IMO.

[Rodeo79]

After touching under the wrist, a fencer would not continue to the thigh. In Epee after a under touch a fencers reaction will be to counter over the top, and the remise to the thigh would be at best a double since your oppentent will have his point in position to counter. You are basically giving the touch away by going to the the thigh...

After under attempting under the wrist, a fencer should make his next action counter 6...