02-23-2005, 05:22 PM
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| German-French Identification
I have a bag full of tips and springs and screws and whatnot, about $300 bucks worth of crap that goes on the poky end of the weapon. How do I tell if an item is french or german? This apply's for barrels, points, screws and springs.
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02-23-2005, 06:56 PM
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| for barrels, a french barrel will have bigger screw holes than a german one. thats about all that i know.
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02-23-2005, 07:00 PM
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| Anything about shape? I have some tips that reach their peak of thickness farther up the barrel, and some that reach theirs lower down.
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02-23-2005, 07:40 PM
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| DFP, Attached find two images. One is a German breakdown and the other is a French. Note that this is an Uhlmann tip on one and a Sport & tip on the other. A lot of "German" points are actually German pattern and can be made anywhere in new Europe, Russia or China and can be of somewhat spotty quality compared to the "real" German points. Short version is, if it does not say made in Germany on the barrel and the tip and it is not a fairly old point it is a knock off, and you might want to switch vendors.
Anyway, things to look for. German points have shorter overall slots for the wrench, and are more square shapped than triangular. French are longer and more triangular. As to the tips themselves it comes with practive more than anything else, but they are often somewhat interchangable. The tip contact springs is one way, as the German spring is usually more shiny and full looking and a bit longer, while the French contact spring often is a darker, less shiny color and the gaps are more obvious. Pretty much the same with the preasure springs, if it is shiny and somewhat flat on the inside it is probalby German, if it is dull and round all the way through the coil it is probably French.
Hope all that helped...
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02-23-2005, 08:10 PM
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| Fixmyweapon D+F+P=Hadouken! SHOULD have stated that they are an Epee fencer. You were describing Foil.
What I describe below, take with a grain of salt, since they subcontract at times and they do change.
Barrels: French depending on the year will have either no groove for tightening or a very long groove. German always has had a groove just enough for a open end wrench. You might also look at the ones that are for sure French and compare the threading for onto the blade. This will help you in determining the ones that look German, but are actually French.
Tips: The screw holes are the easiest to distinguish. The Germans will be round and the French will look at little eliptical long end up and down.
Screws: Usually the Germans are threaded the whole way and flat top, while the French have a slight head and a slightly round top.
Both the French and the German have changed their springs so often, that it is very difficult to be even 80% sure.
I assume you are not asking about the wires.
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02-23-2005, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Fixmyweapon D+F+P=Hadouken! SHOULD have stated that they are an Epee fencer. You were describing Foil. | If I had been thinking for even a second I would have known that DFP was an epee fencer... 
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02-23-2005, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DHCJr Fixmyweapon D+F+P=Hadouken! SHOULD have stated that they are an Epee fencer. You were describing Foil.
What I describe below, take with a grain of salt, since they subcontract at times and they do change.
Barrels: French depending on the year will have either no groove for tightening or a very long groove. German always has had a groove just enough for a open end wrench. You might also look at the ones that are for sure French and compare the threading for onto the blade. This will help you in determining the ones that look German, but are actually French.
Tips: The screw holes are the easiest to distinguish. The Germans will be round and the French will look at little eliptical long end up and down.
Screws: Usually the Germans are threaded the whole way and flat top, while the French have a slight head and a slightly round top.
Both the French and the German have changed their springs so often, that it is very difficult to be even 80% sure.
I assume you are not asking about the wires. | I'd ben Dan Dechaine could eyeball the springs correctly! (memory of the foil episide at LBI a couple of years back....)
Was it only Prieur that had the epee barrels with out the flats, or did Sport 7 make that mistake also? | |
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