Medieval swordplay

[paul.canham@gmail.com]

Hi, i have been learning medieval swordplay specifically the germain
style of fighting (talhoffer) and someone has given me an old treatise
of Fiore de' liberi.

I would like to look into this more and was wondering whether anyone
coudl help me with information on where i could find some more
information out. I have mainly been looking at falcion, hand and a half
and dagger work lately.

Thanks

P.

[Zebee Johnstone]

In rec.sport.fencing on 24 Jan 2005 16:04:39 -0800
paul.canham@gmail.com <paul.canham@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, i have been learning medieval swordplay specifically the germain
> style of fighting (talhoffer) and someone has given me an old treatise
> of Fiore de' liberi.
>
> I would like to look into this more and was wondering whether anyone
> coudl help me with information on where i could find some more
> information out. I have mainly been looking at falcion, hand and a half
> and dagger work lately.

www.chivalrybookshelf.com notably Christian Tobler's two books. There's
another one, umm.. by someone named Windsor I think? It is mostly
Fiore, whereas Tobler is the German stuff.

Mark rector's book on Talhoffer is hard to learn from, Tobler's books
are worth ever cent to the serious student, if you can't manage both,
get the 2nd one.

Bob Charron's definitive Fiore is due out Real Soon Now.

Zebee

[James Post]

paul.canham@gmail.com wrote:

>Hi, i have been learning medieval swordplay specifically the germain
>style of fighting (talhoffer) and someone has given me an old treatise
>of Fiore de' liberi.
>
>I would like to look into this more and was wondering whether anyone
>coudl help me with information on where i could find some more
>information out. I have mainly been looking at falcion, hand and a half
>and dagger work lately.
>
>Thanks
>
>P.
>
>
>
Hi Paul,
I'm a student of Bob Charron's and would be happy to answer any
questions you may have. I'd suggest, though, that you email Bob directly
at stmartinsacademy@juno.com.
The main problem in trying to learn from the original manuscripts is
their obscurity to the modern practioner. Rector's Talhoffer is a great
translation of the manuscript, but trying to make it come alive is all
but impossible without guidence. Medieval illustrations are not
snapshots of action, frozen in time. They are guides to complete
techniques. Without background, trying to figure them out is difficult,
to say the least. If you live near Madison, Wi, I invite you to come to
our practices, Mondays at 7 p.m. If not, well, Bob's translation of
Fiore is forthcoming but his interpretation of the techniques will be
some little while in coming.
If the German style is your forte, try Tobler's books, as Zeebee said. I
have "Secrets" and will be purchasing the other soon. They are an
excellent way to gain knowledge of the style if you don't have access to
an instructor.
Hope this helps!

Jim

[paul.canham@gmail.com]

Thanks for this information, and no i am not near to you but thank you
for the offer. I have found it alot easier by watching people and
training with them to learn the things than go through the manuscripts
by myself.

Regards

Paul.

[William Black]

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> Hi, i have been learning medieval swordplay specifically the germain
> style of fighting (talhoffer) and someone has given me an old treatise
> of Fiore de' liberi.

Talhoffer may not be a swordplay manual.

--
William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe
Barbeques on fire by chalets past the headland
I've watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off Newborough
All this will pass like ice-cream on the beach
Time for tea

[paul.canham@gmail.com]

Well looking at his treatises. even

[Joonas Kekkonen]

Zebee Johnstone <zebee@zip.com.au> wrote:

> www.chivalrybookshelf.com notably Christian Tobler's two books. There's
> another one, umm.. by someone named Windsor I think? It is mostly
> Fiore, whereas Tobler is the German stuff.

Guy Windsor teaches mainly the Italian masters. The book is about Italian long
sword and thus apparently not what was sought after.

But if one would like to get a larger picture of the use of long sword, I'd
recommend Windsor. Both the book Swordsman's Companion and the couple of Guy
Windsors seminars I've attended have been very good. He seems to be able to
convey his teachings in a very understandable, humble and safe way.

--
Joonas Kekkonen