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Old 04-07-2001, 04:45 PM   #1
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I did a thread search looking for input on scoring machines and was surprised to find.... practically nothing! So, I'm in the market for either good used stuff (got anything?) or some input on what to buy and from whom. Surely some of you have some preferences out there. We're a small club with limited resources (I'm sure that sounds familiar) looking to boot strap ourselves into the real world.
 
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Old 04-07-2001, 06:12 PM   #2
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I don't think you can go too wrong with the Eigertek boxes; 3 weapons, upgradeable, they look a bit fragile, but we're not exactly fencing ON them, run off a 9v battery if need be...and for only $350.

The U of Rochester just got one, and everybody loves it.

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I would second that recommendation for the Eigertek boxes. I fished for information on boxes here and on rec.sport.fencing and got several very positive responses. I subsequently purchased two boxes for my club and we're very happy with them.

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well, my club alos got one of them, and im not compleatly satisfyed with them(thouhg theres ways to fix this :-) ) my biggest thing was if ANY one wire is dead in a cord, thee entire thing will not work, so, lets say you are on a regular machein, and you get a white light, sometimes you can still fence with it, and it will still register touches just fine, well with this box, it wont, and you have to get a new body cord... another thing i have seen it do (more than once) is one time i turned it on, and.. it.. played a song... (i have no clue why) another thing, SOMETIMES you will hit the persons gaurd, and the light will go off, or you wil hit them, without being closed out, and a light will not register. so, i hope maybe i have given you some info, so that you dont have to find this out on your own, though it is a very handy box

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Re: Chris' eigertek points--

i) Different boxes handle this different ways-- some (like the Eigertek) force you to have a working body cord and weapon (which you're supposed to have anyway ). The SG series boxes can still register a valid light if the BC ground is bad, but will keep beeping at you as long as the white light is on (unless you turn off the sound). Some just leave the light on and don't sound off about it after it first occurs.
ii) That's a self-test mode that the newer Eigerteks have-- power it up while holding the selector button down and it'll cycle through the test routine to show if all of the lights and sound are working.

For the hits on the blade registering, this means that there's some leakage between the A-line (lame/mask) and the C or B lines (weapon) on the receiving fencer's end. Could be an uninsulated part of the weapon contacting the lame directly or via a sweat-bridge, or a momentary short in the body cord (hint: the vast majority of flaky problems end up being body cord related). See if the yellow lights are flickering on-- this indicates that there's an A-C short. As for the light not registering, remember that there still is a whipover lockout in sabre-- if you're at all contacting your opponents weapon when making your not-fully-closed-out touch, that blade contact will trigger the whipover timer. There is a tolerance for the acceptance and rejection times for whipovers in the FIE spec, so some machine designs can let fewer whipovers through than others but still be within regs (and if your game is highly dependent on landing those marginal whipover shots, well then... ).

My advice: keep your body cords in good working order and go with the Eigertek-- we've been quite satisfied with ours for foil and sabre, and it just can't be touched for the price. Another plus of the Eigertek is that it runs just dandy on a 9V battery, if you're going to be using it where an outlet isn't acessible.

There are two other boxes in the Eigertek's price range: the Favero FA-01 ($350 for hard-wire wall mount, $400 for the "table" model that takes normal floor cords), and the Amico RS-01 (that's the $375 'pocket' machine sold by Blade). The Favero is much bulkier than the Eigertek, and the case isn't as sturdy, but you do get a very large display. It could be a viable choice if you're going to be permanently mounting it, but I like the Eigertek's size better. I've got one of the Amicos-- it is really small (about the size of a portable CD player), and is _very_ loud. It's not upgradeable though (soldered IC rather than a socket), and I don't think it's as well assembled as the Eigertek (nor can it be as readily repaired). It also uses a clunky Russian mil.-spec. connector for the power supply, so if you lose that you can't just run out to Radio Shack and get a replacement, and the power supply that comes with it is larger and heavier than the machine itself. I still like it, but can't recommend it over the better-made Eigertek.

If you've got a bigger budget and are going to be using the box extensively for tournaments, the the SG-12 remains a very good choice, and has a larger, more visible display and louder sound than the Eigertek.


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The SG-12 has a larger, but not necessarily more visible display. The lenses on the SG's are the plastic glass covers, and if there are overhead lights shining on it at a certain angle, you just can't see the white light sometimes. The Eigertek, however, shines through everything with their rather unique LED lights. Those things really make it clear.
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Old 04-10-2001, 07:57 AM   #7
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I checked out the Eigertek specs (apparently AFS is their authorized distributor...) and it looks great. Now, on to floor reels! Any suggestions there?
 
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The new Allstar mercotac reels. They've now got the same electrical reliability as Uhlmanns, but with the virtually indestructible Allstar metal case (you won't see the cable wearing a slit in the case like you do with the Uhlmanns), and they're just heavy enough that they don't need to be taped to the floor. I don't know if any U.S. vendors have them yet, but you'll save a lot of money on either Allstar or Uhlmann reels by ordering from Europe-- try Fechtsport Langenkamp. If you can't get the Allstars, then go with Uhlmann reels.

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