New rules are to take place

It has frightened many fencers, but now it's true new rules for foil are
approved and are taking change soon after 2004 olympic games. It will be
usefull for those who want to be ready to start trainning with them.
From the information I could get so far,
- Light blocking time is going to be set at 300 ms insted of 550 ms.
- Contact time between lame and tip of the foil set to 15 ms (former 2 ms)
- Impact power is set to 750 grams (was 500)
- Foil maximum curvature 1 cm
- the fleche stays
- Reversed shoulders no longer an offence
- Use of mangiarotti tip
These change sounds good to me, as an epeeist I will have a regain of
interest for foil. Wich I was starting to put aside cos of its obvious
ressemblance to saber.. (don't fence saber all that whacking .... (magni) ).
These change are to bring back the heritage of the foil, with lots more tips
hit than flicks who used more saber techniques than tip ones. I dont know
what is the mangiarotti tip however....

The rules are bing evaluated at a major level comp (JOs?) first. Though the
changes may effect inexperienced flickers, it won't kill the flick. But
let's think about this, lower max curvature, increased impact power? This
may require changes in weapons; stiffer blade, larger tip, more protection
for the vulnerable hand. Sound familiar? When we start foil fencing with
epees, I'm going to find a new sport.

I don't disagree with all of the changes. Thank god they didn't push
through other ones they were considering such as no off-target light and
removing the fleche.

Changing the impact power from 500 grams to 750 grams will not make much
differnce on the weapon, the average tip hit put about 2 kg impact on the
tip alone and the strengh of the hit already is done by the fencer not by
the foil. There is no need to change the foil however i didn't say its going
to kill flick but it's sure to preserve tip.

The new material rules (box timings, etc.) are going to be applied on a
trial basis on the Junior World Cup circuit only, so nobody else needs
to be immediately concerned with them. Additionally, as manufacturers
have yet to come up with production versions of the new foil point, that
particular item appears to be somewhat in doubt.

Go to the FIE website (www.fie.ch) to find information on the changes.
The Canadian Fencing Federation website (www.fencing.ca) has a good
summary on the decisions of the FIE Congress in November (dated Jan 13,
2004).

-Dave

Trim Plus Expert wrote:

>It has frightened many fencers, but now it's true new rules for foil are
>approved and are taking change soon after 2004 olympic games. It will be
>usefull for those who want to be ready to start trainning with them.
>From the information I could get so far,
>- Light blocking time is going to be set at 300 ms insted of 550 ms.
>- Contact time between lame and tip of the foil set to 15 ms (former 2 ms)
>- Impact power is set to 750 grams (was 500)
>- Foil maximum curvature 1 cm
>- the fleche stays
>- Reversed shoulders no longer an offence
>- Use of mangiarotti tip
>These change sounds good to me, as an epeeist I will have a regain of
>interest for foil. Wich I was starting to put aside cos of its obvious
>ressemblance to saber.. (don't fence saber all that whacking .... (magni) ).
>These change are to bring back the heritage of the foil, with lots more tips
>hit than flicks who used more saber techniques than tip ones. I dont know
>what is the mangiarotti tip however....
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:13:00 -0500, "Trim Plus Expert"
<trimplus@bellnet.ca> wrote:

> - Use of mangiarotti tip

What's the mangiarotti tip?

-Mark-

It's a foil point which has the same lighting travel as an epee point.
The rub is, at the time of the FIE congress it only existed as a
proof-of-concept prototype, and it is unclear whether equipment
manufacturers will be able to develop production versions before the
start of the season.

-Dave

Mark C. Orton wrote:

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