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Old 02-15-2005, 08:33 PM   #1
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Denmark Invades Canada

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Denmark Invades Canada
Published on 03/30/04 at 16:38:30 EST by Craig Pichach


Adrian Humphreys
National Post


Tuesday, March 30, 2004

Canada's top remaining diplomat in Denmark was called before the
Royal Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs yesterday to discuss the
disputed territory of Hans Island, a barren rock in the high Arctic.

Brian Herman, charge d'affaires of Canada's diplomatic mission in
Copenhagen, was asked by officials about his country's intentions in
the spat, recently inflamed by Danish sailors occupying the island
during regular Arctic patrols.

Mr. Herman's response was that "it is not Canada's intention to stir
up a tempest in a teapot," said Reynald Doiron, spokesman for
Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs. "We want to keep an open
mind on this and yes, we would be ready to resume discussions on the
issue but there has been no definite agenda set," he said.

Peter Taksoe-Jensen, head of international public law with the
Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the issue is not in danger
of becoming an international incident. "The solution of the dispute
over Hans Island is not going to be a military solution in the sense
that Denmark is going to post military on the island or anything of
that kind," Mr. Taksoe-Jensen said from Copenhagen.

"It is going to be a negotiated solution where Canada and Denmark
sit together at the table at some stage when we come to this issue
and find a solution."

Although he played down the presence of a Danish warship -- which
has made repeated visits to the island with its sailors occupying
the island and even unfurling the red and white flag of Denmark over
it -- Mr. Taksoe-Jensen could not rule out further visits.

"Since we think of it as part of Danish territory, we feel officials
have that right. It is only natural that Danish officials go there
from time to time."

He said Copenhagen would take issue if Canada also landed soldiers
on the island.

Canada has not had an ambassador in Denmark since Alfonso Gagliano
was recalled by Paul Martin in the wake of the advertising scandal
involving Mr. Gagliano's former government ministry.

The National Post has highlighted the dispute between Canada and
Denmark over the tiny, desolate, ice-bound island as one of four
international boundary disputes prompting concerns over the nation's
ability to maintain sovereignty of its vast northern region.

The issue was also raised in Parliament, with Stockwell Day, the
Conservative party's foreign affairs critic, calling on the
government to fill Mr. Gagliano's post and for the restoration of
military funding to help retain Arctic sovereignty.

"The nation of Denmark has laid claim to Canadian territory. Its
military, from its warship, hoisted its flag on our Arctic territory
without permission, without warning, and without any fear of being
stopped," Mr. Day said on Friday.

"The government's utter disarray is underlined by the fact that the
scandal has led to the recall of our ambassador to Denmark, the very
nation that is challenging our sovereignty," Mr. Day said.

Aileen Carroll, Minister for International Co-operation, said Canada
will continue to defend its interests.

"Hans Island constitutes part of the national territory of Canada.
No assertion by the Danish ambassador or other Danish officials
detracts from the absolute sovereignty that Canada enjoys over Hans
Island," she said, repeating the official statement of Foreign
Affairs.

Mr. Day said the issue highlights the military's weakness.

"This embarrassing situation shows that the Prime Minister was wrong
when he was underfunding our national defence while he was finance
minister ... and he is wrong today in leaving Canada exposed and
embarrassed," he said in Parliament.

David Pratt, the Minister of National Defence, defended the
government's record.

"A significant amount of money has been put into the navy over the
last number of years. Since this government took over, significant
investments have been made in the armed forces overall.... We are
continuing to rebuild the Canadian Forces," he said.

© National Post 2004
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:15 PM   #2
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I remember when this first came up, but I can't seem to find anything newer than about eight months old on this... has anything happened with it?

I recall when Canada and Spain had the dispute over turbot off the east coast... Spain was going to send frigates to defend its fishing ships, and all the news channels here were comparing the RCN to the Spanish Navy, talking about the possibility of going to war over FISH. And not just any fish...

Really ugly fish.

~sigh~ Too many hotheads in politics and the media. I think Douglas Adams said it best - "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:18 PM   #3
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woah... intense! ^^
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woah... intense! ^^
Yeah, no kidding... can you see Canada and Spain going to war over fish, or Canada and Denmark going to war over a lump of rock? Yeah, right...
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Yeah, no kidding... can you see Canada and Spain going to war over fish, or Canada and Denmark going to war over a lump of rock? Yeah, right...
never going to happen!
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Hey I heard that's were Denmark stores it's WMD's. US, can you help us ballistically-challenged Canadians out?
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Maybe Denmark could invade the Northern U.S. as well. Please?
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hey... that'd be cool... i'd be... denmarkian?
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Maybe Denmark could invade the Northern U.S. as well. Please?
They already did, years ago. They call it "Minnesota".

What puzzles me is why Canada would want to maintain sovereignty over that particular rock or any other like it within oh, say, 500 miles in any direction. It's not like it's worth anything...

90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border, anyway. Let the stupid Danes have the rest of it. They won't get any joy from it.
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What puzzles me is why Canada would want to maintain sovereignty over that particular rock or any other like it within oh, say, 500 miles in any direction. It's not like it's worth anything...
Or alternatively, why do the Danes want it?

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90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border, anyway. Let the stupid Danes have the rest of it. They won't get any joy from it.
And when the New Zealanders invade American Somoa, we'll let them, right?

But out of curiousity, doesn't the Monroe Doctrine cover this? Yeah, something about Europe colonizing the New World...

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Yeah, no kidding... can you see Canada and Spain going to war over fish, or Canada and Denmark going to war over a lump of rock? Yeah, right...
Plenty of wars have been started over less. Ever hear of the soccer war?
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They already did, years ago. They call it "Minnesota".

What puzzles me is why Canada would want to maintain sovereignty over that particular rock or any other like it within oh, say, 500 miles in any direction. It's not like it's worth anything...

90% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border, anyway. Let the stupid Danes have the rest of it. They won't get any joy from it.
The point is that Canada claims it as sovereign territory, regardless of why we do. If we can't enforce our sovereign claims then we're not sovereign and that perception is a huge threat to Canada.

The Spanish problem was exactly the same. Foreign trawlers were fishing waters we claimed. Their actions were causing direct economic harm to the people of Canada. We told them to stop and we warned them that we would take action if they didn't. They didn't and we did.
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Or alternatively, why do the Danes want it?


Because countries get control of the waters surrounding their territories. There are several layers of control, depending on the distance from shore, but it goes out a couple hundred miles. This is an enormous advantage in fisheries etc.

So by claiming a flyspeck island, Denmark is effectively seizing thousands of square miles of ocean territory.
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They already did, years ago. They call it "Minnesota".
Stop there!

We Swedes claim sovereignity over that place!





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Plenty of wars have been started over less. Ever hear of the soccer war?
Yeah, but come on - Denmark and Canada? Canada and Spain?
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The point is that Canada claims it as sovereign territory, regardless of why we do. If we can't enforce our sovereign claims then we're not sovereign and that perception is a huge threat to Canada.

The Spanish problem was exactly the same. Foreign trawlers were fishing waters we claimed. Their actions were causing direct economic harm to the people of Canada. We told them to stop and we warned them that we would take action if they didn't. They didn't and we did.
It's one of our biggest problems - being such a large country with such a small population...
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Stop there!

We Swedes claim sovereignity over that place![Minnesota]
I think the Norwegians might take umbrage with you on that one...

Anyway, Danes, Swedes--what's the difference? Everything north of the Baltic is pretty much the same. Besides, didn't Denmark own Sweden at one time?
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Anyway, Danes, Swedes--what's the difference?
Ahem. Just for your information, there's more difference between Swedes/Norwegians/Danes than there are between USA/Canada. Having different languages is just a start...

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Everything north of the Baltic is pretty much the same. Besides, didn't Denmark own Sweden at one time?
They owned some of the southern part of it, that's true. But at the same time we (the swedes) owned most of Norway AND Finland AND the Baltic states AND also parts of Pomerania.

And no, I am honestly not trying to pick a fight here, I just wanted to inform you!
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Denmark Invades Canada
Yay, go Vikings!
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Stop there!

We Swedes claim sovereignity over that place!
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I think the Norwegians might take umbrage with you on that one...
They're all up there around Minnesota, North Dakota, etc. Can't tell the difference, but their daughters are all equally beautiful. Invade any time you like!
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