Justin-

That's the passage, and thanks. It dovetails with his other discussions of
the stringimento.

As for advising blade contact, it's done in the actual attack of the
adversary's person (not in the gaining or stringimento), with exception
being made in the case of the beat , "where his blade is understood to be i=
n
my domination".

I like Jherek and Bill's translation, but I must admit I take exception to
the use of "stringering", which derives from an archaic English usage.

Sean

on 2/10/05 6:30 PM, Justin Greywolf at jgreywolf@oldworldmartialarts.us
wrote:

> "Sean, I believe this is the passage you were referring to (From the
> translation by Wm. Jherek Swanger and William Wilson.):
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> "110) Many in seeking the narrow measure disengage and counterdisengage,
> perform
> feints and counterfeints, stringer a palmo*1 and more of the sword, and s=
tep
> from
> every side, and twist their bodies and stretch them, and retreat in many
> whimsical
> fashions, which are things done outside of true reason, and found to dece=
ive
> the
> foolish, and make the play difficult; nonetheless stringering of the swor=
d,
> when I
> cannot do otherwise, seeking measure in my guard, it is only necessary th=
at
> I stringer
> the debole of my enemy's sword in a straight line, with the forte of mine=
,
> and this
> straddling it without touching, but only in striking to hit the debole of
> the enemy's
> sword with my forte, on the inside or the outside according to the
> circumstances of
> the striking."
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> Jherek also provided this note, in reference to the passage:
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> "The phrase "straddling it without touching" is, in the original,
> "cavalcandola senza
> toccare". To select a single English equivalent may obscure Capo Ferro's
> meaning. The
> verb "cavalcare" means to ride (a horse), to straddle, or to span (e.g. a=
s a
> bridge spans a
> stream). This phrase may thus be understood to imply that, in stringering=
,
> my sword
> extends past the point of "intersection" with my enemy's (i.e. spans, or
> straddles it) while
> staying close to and exerting (or more properly, enabling) control over i=
t
> (i.e. riding it),
> but without touching (toccare) it until the moment of attack.
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> With only this passage, I can see where this understanding comes from. I
> have seen no where in Capo Ferro where he advises that there SHOULD be bl=
ade
> contact either, so why do people assume there is?
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> Justin Greywolf
> Old World Martial Arts
> http://www.oldworldmartialarts.us
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean W Hayes [mailto:seanhayes@northwestacademyofarms.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:22 AM
>> To: Antone Blair
>> Cc: classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [CFML] Rapier fought like Foil ???
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>> Antone-
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>> I don't have the specific reference to hand, but I think it's
>> in paragraph 110 of the main section, where he advises that
>> you must "ride his blade without touching it." I'll have to
>> check both the exact quote and the reference when I get home.
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>> Sean
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>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 08:40 PM, Sean Hayes wrote:
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>>> In the context of early 17th century Italian rapier, a cavazione
>> is best
>>> understood as a change of line in response to an adversary
>> covering a
>>> specific line. Giganti, Capoferro, and Fabris don't take
>> engagement in the
>>> modern sense; they seek to cover the likely line of assault
>> offered by the
>>> adversary's blade by "covering" it stronger near weaker, but
>> without
>>> contact. (Capoferro and Fabris are quite specific on this
>> point; I'm less
>>> familiar with Giganti's discussions.)
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>>> Hi Sean,
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>>> I've been told several times that there is no blade contact in
>> Capo Ferro's stringere, but I'm curious where everyone gets
>> this from. I do not know of any passages in Capo Ferro where
>> he specifically advises against blade contact. I know that at
>> one point he does say that it is not necessary to touch the
>> opponent's blade "if I cannot do otherwise." Saying that
>> blade contact is not necessary is very different from saying
>> that it should never be done though.
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>>> So is there somewhere else where he specifically advises against
>> blade contact in stringere?
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>> month. Best,
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