Re: [CFML] Rapier fought like Foil ???

[Russell Hogg]

I wouldn't like to
> try counterthrusting in
> opposition against a cut with a 35" blade.

Sainct-Didier seems to advise just that, however --
taking cuts at the forte and thrusting with
opposition...






__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today!
http://my.yahoo.com




------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
Give the gift of life to a sick child.
Support St. Jude Children's Research Hospital's 'Thanks & Giving.'
http://us.click.yahoo.com/5iY7fA/6Wn...ZIAA/VRUolB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->

----------------------------------------------------------------------
The CFML is sponsored in part by Purpleheart Armoury, now carrying rapier blunts and leather gorgets. http://www.woodenswords.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classicalfencing/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
classicalfencing-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Stephen Hand]

> I wouldn't like to
> > try counterthrusting in
> > opposition against a cut with a 35" blade.
>
> Sainct-Didier seems to advise just that, however --
> taking cuts at the forte and thrusting with
> opposition...

Yes, he shows thrusts with opposition against cuts (as do many other
masters) but not with a 35" blade. The blades in Sainct Didier are
reasonably consistently shown at about 60% of the height of the man wieldin=
g
them. On my 5'9" frame this equates to a 40" blade. For Sainct Didier's
blades to be 35" his Lieutenent and Prevost must have been about 4'10" (yes
I'm being silly here).

If you counterthrust against a cut you have to place the forte against the
opposing forte and still have the blade length to simultaneously put at
least a couple of inches of blade into his body. The only examples of
counterattacks with opposition against cuts that I know of with weapons as
short as a 35" blade are exceptions that prove the rule, like the lunge fro=
m
the Spadroon Guard against a head cut in Anti Pugilism (1790), where to gai=
n
the necessary distance the cut is taken on the basket, not the forte.

Cheers
Stephen



------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->=20
Meet the McDonald=BFs=AE Lincoln Fry get free digital souvenirs,
Web-only video and bid on the Lincoln Fry prop charity auction.
http://us.click.yahoo.com/9hSKEA/fV0...ZIAA/VRUolB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->=20

----------------------------------------------------------------------
The CFML is sponsored in part by Purpleheart Armoury, now carrying rapier b=
lunts and leather gorgets. http://www.woodenswords.com
----------------------------------------------------------------------
=20
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classicalfencing/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
classicalfencing-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
=20