Soldier Stories

[Soldier]

Here's some links for a start; I'll keep working on getting more.

http://bootsonground.blogspot.com/

http://www.truthorfiction.com/index-war.htm

http://www.soldiersparadise.blogspot.com

http://www.soldiersparadiseii.blogspot.com

Haven't had much of a chance to read through many of these yet. Unfortunately, I doubt blogs will give many accounts from front-line guys, since they rarely have as much access to internet.

[Soldier]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/f/foxbat.htm

Points to under-the-table European support of Iraq, as well as further illustrating the difficulty of finding WMDs.

[Soldier]

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/chontosh.htm

[Inquartata]

What, none involving chickens?

[Soldier]

Problem is, I've actually got to get some work done today; I'll be taking off on Thursday, and won't be back until Sunday. Hopefully I'll be able to dig more up at that point.

[mrbiggs]

When I have alot of spare time, I'll go through these.

I really liked Merg's journal when he was in Iraq.

[CutLass]

I rushed through a couple of soldiers blogs he cited. Overwhelmingly the message is these soldiers are tired of being in Iraq, tired of being threatened for someone else's war, and ready to just walk out of the place.
The blogs are interesting. Great detail on the lonliness and fear these guys experience.

[Gav]

Points to under-the-table European support of Iraq, as well as further illustrating the difficulty of finding WMDs.

What has this to do with your soldiers stories?

Which European countries exactly? Hang on - it's Russia. Russia is not part of the European community. According to that article Saddam had been sold these MIG's in the 80's and that means during Soviet era Russia. This particular MIG is also a reconnaisance vehicle - not a weapon of Mass Destruction.

Soldier, you have done a good job by posting the links to those soldiers blogs - don't pollute your thread with more speculation about the search for "WMD's" - confine that to the relevant threads.

[Soldier]

That link, like the several ones I put in the WMD thread, accidentally went in the wrong place - wasn't supposed to end up here.

You apparently skipped over the part where they talked about the French and German electronics (the only reason they could call a MiG-25 "advanced") that were sold after the first Gulf War, during the time when it was illegal.

[Soldier]

This seems to be real to me, but I'm not yet 100% sure - I'll see what I can find out about it.

Dear Friends,

It isn't over yet, but today there was a resounding victory for freedom and
democracy here in Baghdad. Having been here for a while now, many of us
have grown weary of the hand-wringers, worriers, pessimists, whiners, and
host of others who have been telling us for so long that all is lost in
Iraq. Today we witnessed just how courageous the Iraqi people can be and
how much they love their new-found freedom.

After listening to the pundits tell us how terrible the Iraqi Security
Forces are, today I watched the Iraqi Security Forces stand tall. They
protected 1,188 polling sites in Baghdad. Although there were a number of
suicide bombers who attacked today, not a single one penetrated the
perimeter of a polling site. There were several Iraqi policemen, and
several Iraqi soldiers who lost their lives today. But they did not lose
their honor or their courage; none of the 30,000 plus Iraqi Security Forces
on duty in Baghdad ran away from danger today.

At the site of our first suicide bombing of the day, voters did not lose
their courage either. They quickly lined back up at the same site, spitting
on the body of the suicide bomber as they passed by in line to vote. A
woman came out of line and took the shoe of the bomber and put it on his
face- a great insult to an Arab. The same was true at any polling site that
had violence. Voters immediately lined up again to cast their vote. How
many Americans value their privilege to vote enough to show that kind of
courage?

We have listened to many experts talk about how the Sunnis would not
participate in the election. Polling sites in Abu Guyreb were moved to
Gasaliya because the Iraqi Election Commission was concerned about security
in Abu Guyrb. We watched thousands walk down the highway- Sunni Moslems- on
the 7 mile round trip to the polling sites so they could vote. All under
the threat that terrorists had been making that they would kill anyone who
voted. How many Americans would do that?

All over Baghdad the story was the same and I could tell a dozen stories of
great courage and determination. Despite the enemy's campaign of terror,
despite danger, threats, intimidation, and the sporadic incidents of
violence and terror today, Iraqis turned out in determined, large numbers to
vote. The excitement was moving. Even though the terrorists have said they
will kill anyone with a "marked finger" (when you voted your finger was
dipped in ink to keep people from voting a second time), voters paraded down
the street holding their fingers up in joy and overwhelming pride.

When I told one Iraqi I was sorry that people had died or been wounded
today, he just said "freedom has a price, and this is the price that we must
pay". And every Iraqi I talked to said thank you to the United States for
this opportunity, for this freedom, and how grateful they were for our help.

I am sure it will only be hours until you start hearing all the "experts",
most of which have never been to Iraq, start trying to convince us that
today was flawed, failed, or somehow less than a wonderful day and a blow
for freedom. They are the same people who say we are failing here, that you
couldn't do an election on the 30th of January, and on and on. It is true
we haven't "won" here yet. It is not predetermined that we will win, and it
will take continued sacrifice and determination on our part. Those who hate
freedom and democracy will still fight, many to the death, to try to stop
this march to freedom and prosperity by the Iraqis with our help. They are
terrified of the thought of a free and democratic Iraq that leads this whole
region to a democratic future.

But despite this, I encourage you from here in Baghdad, for at least one
day, to ignore the pundits and experts, to enjoy a day where a blow for
freedom was struck. Know that somewhere in the world, because of the
sacrifice of your friends, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and
countrymen, good won over evil, freedom over terror, and democracy over
despotism.

Last June 30, Iraq was given their sovereignty. Today, they earned their
freedom. And we should all be joyful for that.

[veeco]

Originally Posted by Soldier

You apparently skipped over the part where they talked about the French and German electronics (the only reason they could call a MiG-25 "advanced") that were sold after the first Gulf War, during the time when it was illegal.

Skipped over the part that talks about French and German electronics?

You apparently skipped it as well.

1- They don't mention the word "German" or "Germany" anywhere in that document
2- The actual sentence is "The Foxbat may also be equipped with advanced Russian- and French-made electronics that were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of a U.N. ban on arms sales to Baghdad."

If I remember well enough what my first English teacher told me "may" in this context is used to indicate uncertainty about a specific fact. In this case there is no proof that the writer of this document has that the Foxbat is equipped with electronics, and there is no proof that these electronics are Russian or French, and finally, there is no proof that they were sold to Iraq during the 1990s in violation of the UN ban!

[Soldier]

Hence, "points to", not "is conclusive evidence of".