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Undecided
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01-24-2005, 09:40 AM
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This is just continuing on from esskreemr's excellent thread. http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15286
I think it might be interesting to see the general views of the fencers here on introducing video replays to help the ref. It seemed to be a fairly even, but a poll should show the consensus more clearly.
*awaits complaints about how the categories in my poll are useless*
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01-24-2005, 09:44 AM
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| Just the customary "where's the poll" reply. | |
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01-24-2005, 09:45 AM
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| I knew that would happen. 
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01-24-2005, 09:49 AM
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01-24-2005, 09:49 AM
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#5 | | Din Älskling
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| As long as they are used sparingly, I say it can be done without interrupting the flow of the match. If fencers are allowed to contest every point, there would be a serious problem. If they are allowed to contest 1-2 points and are penalized for contested points not in their favor (automatic red card), it could be a valuable tool.
I think many referees fear that this encroaches on the time-honored (and many times dishonored) tradition that once a referee makes a call, it stands no matter what. If the sport of fencing is to grow, the methods we use must grow with us. Instant replay would give final championship bouts a legitimacy that they may otherwise be lacking.
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01-24-2005, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by drippingwet Just the customary "where's the poll" reply. | But the poll was up before you posted that?! | 
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01-24-2005, 09:54 AM
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| Well I don't think an 'ask the audience' option would go down badly. 
If the ref isn't sure, then he could consult the big screen or whatever, but will a ref want to be seen as unsure?
If fencers can protest and get red card if their complaint is unfounded, then that may be good??? | |
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01-24-2005, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by prototoast But the poll was up before you posted that?! | Maybe it came up before I posted, but it didn't before I started making the reply. | |
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01-24-2005, 10:07 AM
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| I will append my response of "no" with my favorite gripe. The problem with subjective refering lies in the existance of ROW itself. Foil in particular is the figure skating of fencing. Objectivity is a good thing and the longer we hold on to cryptic rules that are difficult to apply with consistency, the worse off the sport will be in the eyes of the Olympics.
Fencing is corrupt and full of payola. All of the corruption is made possible by ROW.
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01-24-2005, 10:16 AM
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#10 | | Din Älskling
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Originally Posted by tsalyards I will append my response of "no" with my favorite gripe. The problem with subjective refering lies in the existance of ROW itself. Foil in particular is the figure skating of fencing. Objectivity is a good thing and the longer we hold on to cryptic rules that are difficult to apply with consistency, the worse off the sport will be in the eyes of the Olympics.
Fencing is corrupt and full of payola. All of the corruption is made possible by ROW. | Ummm. Seems like you have more reason for agreeing with video replay than not. What are your reasons for voting "no"?
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01-24-2005, 10:33 AM
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| I'm in favour of it so long as it is only used when there is real doubt. Having said that, I think it should have no more than say a 30-second time limit on any decision. Given that there is a natural break every time a hit is scored (which you never have to wait long for in fencing), I don't think it will interupt the flow of the match too much. Why have bad decisions and corruption in our sport when we can easily get rid of both. The technology is there. What's the problem?
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01-24-2005, 11:37 AM
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#12 | | Din Älskling
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| In addition, there could be a panel of arbitrage with 2 people with monitors. After every point, they could replay and vote. If the fencer wants a replay, their vote could already be waiting. 2 points for the arbitrage panel's votes, 1 point for the referee. Should only take a few seconds to clear up the contestation. I still think the fencer should be penalize with a red card for an unjustified appeal if the panel goes against the plaintiff.
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01-24-2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by esskreemr Ummm. Seems like you have more reason for agreeing with video replay than not. What are your reasons for voting "no"? | Video replay would be unnecessary if ROW were done away with. The light would tell you who got the touch.
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01-24-2005, 01:03 PM
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| IMHO The video replay would not drag on fencing bouts to an hour plus as everyone seems to be freaking out about. I agree with the previous ideas that you have a bunch of officials in a box somewhere that if they think a call is questionable then they can review it. Or perhaps giving the fencer only one shot to question the director per bout (only in DE's of course).
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01-24-2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tsalyards Video replay would be unnecessary if ROW were done away with. The light would tell you who got the touch. | Hello epee.
Video replays could be used in all three weapons, regardless of right of way. I can just imagine an epeeist requesting one for a possible bell touch, unless I'm ignorant on some existing rules that would say otherwise (besides the obvious lack of existing video replay requests )
I think esskreemr's idea on only allowing one or two and automatic cards is a good one.
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01-24-2005, 01:24 PM
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| statistical correlation
Hmmm.... I noticed that the percentage of people against video instant replay is almost identical to the percentage of people who responded that they do not wear a cup. A coincidence??? | |
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01-24-2005, 01:26 PM
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| Time for the other customary complant;
Needing more options on the poll, there needs to be one for 'if used sparingly' and 'sometimes' or 'depends'. 
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01-24-2005, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wildmoppet Time for the other customary complant;
Needing more options on the poll, there needs to be one for 'if used sparingly' and 'sometimes' or 'depends'. | It was only a matter of time.
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01-24-2005, 01:37 PM
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| I don't know why I don't like the idea, but I don't. So no. | |
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01-24-2005, 01:59 PM
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| I don't see how it is much different than calling for the bout committee is now. Certainly, if every fencer asked for the bout committe on every point, competitions would never get finished.
But if the same (or similar) restrictions were put on video replays, then it shouldn't hamper the flow of the event.
For instance, there could be an option to ask the bout committee to review the video replay. If the bout committee agrees with the referee, you get carded. If they disagree, they can over-rule his/her decision.
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