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rrs · 01-18-2005, 10:10 PM

Hi all. I'm after some information about the number of fencers on this board who fit into the different age categories outlined above for a research project I'm working on.

Also, if you are interested in participating in a couple of other questionnaire studies related to fencing, please private message me!

KShan5[PrFC] · 01-18-2005, 10:11 PM

Umm...what age categories outlined above??

rrs · 01-18-2005, 10:13 PM

the poll took longer to make than i thought! it's there now...

mrbiggs · 01-18-2005, 10:50 PM

mrbiggs laws of fencing.net polls:

1. There will always be someone who posts after the thread is created, but before the poll is made, saying that there is no poll.

2. Someone will always post to say that the poll has some major design flaw, and that therefore they cannot accurately express their opinion.

KShan5[PrFC] · 01-18-2005, 11:27 PM

Well if I fit into the 20 and under category, I also fit into the 30 and under, and the 40 and under and teh 50 and under, and the 60 and under. How do I know which to pick??????? This is a huge design flaw, and presents an enormous bias in the poll. It has to be changed so that I can express myself freely, and you can collect accurate data.

MyrddinsPrecint · 01-18-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbiggs

mrbiggs laws of fencing.net polls:

1. There will always be someone who posts after the thread is created, but before the poll is made, saying that there is no poll.

2. Someone will always post to say that the poll has some major design flaw, and that therefore they cannot accurately express their opinion.

this poll has a major design flaw.

... i'm under 20, so i assume you want me to indicate my choice as "20 and under"....

but i'm also under 60. and thus "60 and under" is a valid response for me as well..............

MyrddinsPrecint · 01-18-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbiggs

mrbiggs laws of fencing.net polls:

1. There will always be someone who posts after the thread is created, but before the poll is made, saying that there is no poll.

2. Someone will always post to say that the poll has some major design flaw, and that therefore they cannot accurately express their opinion.

RULE # 3

two people will point out the same thing at roughly the same time. saying pretty much the exact same thing. it will be sad for the second person, because they will feel like if they had woken up for breakfast and thus eaten their wheaties, they might have arrived there first.

rrs · 01-18-2005, 11:33 PM

fine. mrbiggs is quite correct on both counts, as are you both.

options, i guess, should be

20 and under
21 - 30
31 - 40
41 - 50
51 - 60
61+

if i could figure out how to modify the poll, i would, but since i can't, please do the necessary translations yourselves.

ThatReallyHurt · 01-18-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rrs

fine. mrbiggs is quite correct on both counts, as are you both.

options, i guess, should be

20 and under
21 - 30
31 - 40
41 - 50
51 - 60
61+

if i could figure out how to modify the poll, i would, but since i can't, please do the necessary translations yourselves.

Okay, but... there's a 20 year spread for the first selection (20 and under), however, there's a 61 year spread for the last selection (61+... a quick search shows that someone recently lived to 122 (died back in 1997)).

I'm not sure how many 118 year old fencers there are, but still...

mrbiggs · 01-19-2005, 12:09 AM

I don't know how many people over 80 use the internet. Probably not alot.

mrbiggs · 01-19-2005, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MyrddinsPrecint

RULE # 3

two people will point out the same thing at roughly the same time. saying pretty much the exact same thing. it will be sad for the second person, because they will feel like if they had woken up for breakfast and thus eaten their wheaties, they might have arrived there first.

I.O.U a rep. Funny, and I stole it for the rules, and I stole it for my siggitysigsigsignature.

sabreur · 01-19-2005, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by rrs

Hi all. I'm after some information about the number of fencers on this board who fit into the different age categories outlined above for a research project I'm working on.

Also, if you are interested in participating in a couple of other questionnaire studies related to fencing, please private message me!

Actually, before we start dumping data on you, how about a little more information about who the hell you are and what you are planning to do with the data.

MR

Inquartata · 01-19-2005, 03:56 AM

And some of us would be more inclined to respond if the results were anonymous instead of public...

rrs · 01-19-2005, 10:13 AM

sabreur:

i am a student in sport science. i am studying the effects of expertise, and am particularly interested in what makes experts 'special'. i am also a fencer, and would like to be able to justify all the time i spend fencing by calling it 'doing research' and so i'm interested in using fencing (and some other sports) as a way of asking some questions about how we become expert.

the purpose of this poll is just to try and capture, in very broad strokes, the age demographic of fencers. this poll is one of a number of such polls. i have posted a very similar poll on the UK forum. we are also asking for similar information at a local level (from a number of clubs), at a regional level (from a number of divisions) and also at a national level (from national sports bodies).
the responses will be collated across polls, which will hopefully give us an accurate representation of participants in fencing at different levels of the sport. the data may eventually get published in the form of a graph in a journal (perhaps), but at this point it is really more for my own curiousity. as an aside, i am also curious to see how the poll responses from the forums compare with responses from more traditional sources of information.

inquartata:

you are right. however, i found a number of studies which show that you actually get more accurate responses when the results are public. so, i'm hoping that although i may get fewer responses, they'll paint a more accurate picture.

Maeve_Mari · 01-19-2005, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

And some of us would be more inclined to respond if the results were anonymous instead of public...

ha! some people want to keep the reality of their crumudeoness on the hush.
Me, oh I'm in there somewhere... under 70 for sure.

***Craig*** · 01-19-2005, 11:44 AM

For this kind of info, anon would be better. I tend to only "vote" in anon. polls.

Craig

Maeve_Mari · 01-19-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

For this kind of info, anon would be better. I tend to only "vote" in anon. polls.

Craig

It would be helpful to be able to edit a poll after you post. Maybe with a time limit, but I've found some sort of error to the few polls I've posted nearly immediately after hitting the submit button... only to be frustrated that I can't fix it!

Army Fencer · 01-19-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Inquartata

And some of us would be more inclined to respond if the results were anonymous instead of public...

On the other hand rrs can now eliminate the double responders who answered the poll question accurately, or didn't give their gender.

oiuyt · 01-19-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Army Fencer

On the other hand rrs can now eliminate the double responders who answered the poll question accurately.

Assuming that you're merely talking about double responders as in people who selected multiple age categories there are remarkably few who did so (accurately, acaba did so but inaccurately).

-B :)

Army Fencer · 01-19-2005, 03:03 PM

It's still a data point.