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R. Exnicios · 01-10-2005, 05:05 PM

Referees

The organizer of the Crescent City Open cordially invite any interested Referees to join us in New Orleans this April 2nd & 3rd for 13th annual Crescent City Open.

The Crescent City Open will again be in the beautiful Downtown Hilton on the New Orleans river front on the edge of the historic French Quarter. More information on the tournament can be found at www.louisianafencing.org and of course on askfred (www.askfred.net)

Referees selected will be compensated based on their current USFA referee ratings as follows:

1-2: $100 per event day plus up to $100 travel expense reimbursement
3-4: $75 per event day plus up to $75 travel expense reimbursement
5-6: $50 per event day plus up to $50 travel expense reimbursement
7-10: $40 per event day plus up to $30 travel expense reimbursement

If you are interested in refereeing or have any questions please contact me at exnicios@bellsouth.net Please include your USFA Referee Rating and if you intend, which event you would be fencing.

Hope to see you in New Orleans!

Cheers

R

reffers · 01-11-2005, 03:39 PM

What about lodging?

R. Exnicios · 01-12-2005, 07:02 PM

Unfortunately as it stands now lodging is on your own L We have found that this works best. We pay a little more and cover some travel expenses and leave the lodging up to the ref.

There is such a wide rang of lodging options in New Orleans and it is not possible to please everyone. The Hilton Riverside where the event is being held has a rate that looks more like the national debt than a hotel rate. There are literally hundreds of hotels in the downtown/French quarter area and just as many within a 15 min drive.

We are in the process of compiling a list of hotels with good rates.

Please feel free to contact me or any of the CCO host committee if you have questions.

Cheers

peet · 01-13-2005, 07:05 AM

I'd love to come, but $50 won't quite get me there from Seattle. It'd be a blast I bet, but you know how pocketbook issues can be....

Good luck with the event!

-p

counter riposte · 01-13-2005, 04:32 PM

Sorry,

Wish I could do it too. But like peet, too much travel. Good luck with the tournament!

epeemike81 · 01-14-2005, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by R. Exnicios

Referees

The organizer of the Crescent City Open cordially invite any interested Referees to join us in New Orleans this April 2nd & 3rd for 13th annual Crescent City Open.

The Crescent City Open will again be in the beautiful Downtown Hilton on the New Orleans river front on the edge of the historic French Quarter. More information on the tournament can be found at www.louisianafencing.org and of course on askfred (www.askfred.net)

Referees selected will be compensated based on their current USFA referee ratings as follows:

1-2: $100 per event day plus up to $100 travel expense reimbursement
3-4: $75 per event day plus up to $75 travel expense reimbursement
5-6: $50 per event day plus up to $50 travel expense reimbursement
7-10: $40 per event day plus up to $30 travel expense reimbursement

If you are interested in refereeing or have any questions please contact me at exnicios@bellsouth.net Please include your USFA Referee Rating and if you intend, which event you would be fencing.

Hope to see you in New Orleans!

Cheers

R

Are you kidding? I'm a three, and with this pay scale, I wouldn't break even on the weekend even if you threw in a place to stay (and that's not counting lost wages)!

Given that it's New Orleans, breaking even would probably be good enough, but with this pay scale I think you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding refs from anywhere outside the immediate viciinity.

-m

epeemike81 · 01-14-2005, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by R. Exnicios

Unfortunately as it stands now lodging is on your own L We have found that this works best. We pay a little more and cover some travel expenses and leave the lodging up to the ref.

pay a little more than who? It's lower than every all day gig I ref. USFA pays 3's 85 a day, Collegiate, high school, and divisional usfa stuff in my area all pay 100-175 a day for 5 and better.

-m

counter riposte · 01-14-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by epeemike81

pay a little more than who? It's lower than every all day gig I ref. USFA pays 3's 85 a day, Collegiate, high school, and divisional usfa stuff in my area all pay 100-175 a day for 5 and better.

-m

Right.... So where in Mass. do I sign up?

R. Exnicios · 01-14-2005, 04:58 PM

I feel your pain. I completely agree, Referees should be paid more. If we could pay more we would but we just don't have the budget to pay more. Our goal every year is to not lose money. Some years we make a little some years we lose. We are trying to pay more than most of the other tournaments in the region.

Trust me if there was more money we would pay more.

Cheers

R

prototoast · 01-14-2005, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by R. Exnicios

I feel your pain. I completely agree, Referees should be paid more. If we could pay more we would but we just don't have the budget to pay more. Our goal every year is to not lose money. Some years we make a little some years we lose. We are trying to pay more than most of the other tournaments in the region.

Trust me if there was more money we would pay more.

Cheers

R

It really is an unfortunate problem. I think we all understand and sympathize with you, knowing you don't want to lose money and you want to run a good tournament. However, you have the obvious problem that as much as some referees would like to help you, they can't make the financial sacrifice for your competition. Only solutions seem to be to create more money or more referees (local ones).

fluidfencer · 01-14-2005, 05:28 PM

Clubs don't seem to understand that the FOC will provide a weekend of training and testing for a reasonable fee. Even a little division like ours got seven new rated referees in 2004 with a little planning.

Of course, then you have the problem of your newly rated referees also being your better fencers and wanting to compete. Oh well, back to directing from the pools *sigh*, but at least the refereeing is good.

Rolls · 01-14-2005, 05:29 PM

In my area (which happens to be close to New Orleans), it's rare to find a tournament that pays referees anything. Most refs are volunteer status only. SO, I would say that it's pretty competitive in that aspect. This isn't California or Mass. where you find clubs on every corner.

Rolls.

fluidfencer · 01-14-2005, 06:12 PM

We have tried paying something similar to New Orleans as well and no takers. That wasn't the case about three years ago.

Ironically, it seems to be because the sport is growing. Now that there are a lot more decent tournaments going on in the region, there just aren't enough referees to go around. So, we trained our own. That's the way it should work.

Rolls, we plan to have another referee training weekend in 2005. You need to bring a bunch up for the weekend. We can probably find you a place to stay too.

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Originally Posted by Rolls

In my area (which happens to be close to New Orleans), it's rare to find a tournament that pays referees anything. Most refs are volunteer status only. SO, I would say that it's pretty competitive in that aspect. This isn't California or Mass. where you find clubs on every corner.

Rolls.

Rolls · 01-14-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fluidfencer

Rolls, we plan to have another referee training weekend in 2005. You need to bring a bunch up for the weekend. We can probably find you a place to stay too.

Yea, I had wanted to go last time, but I had a scheduling conflict. Keep me updated on when the next one is. I would like to make, and I'm sure some of my clubmates would too.

Rolls.