01-09-2005, 05:55 PM
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| Pronounciation Guide?
Hello everyone,
I've run into a few instances where I've mispronounced something in fencing, or run into multiple pronounciations of things. Given that there are people from all over the planet on this forum, how do you pronounce some of the more common fencing terms/companies/items/etc?
For example, I've heard (apologies for missing accents):
Epee: Pronounced as "ep-pay", "ep-pee", "ay-pay", "ay-pee".
Prieur: "Preear" (rhymed with "fear"), "Pry-er", "Pree-ar".
Lame: "Lam-ay", "lamb".
Uhlmann: "Ul-man", "Ool-man".
Piste: "Pist" (rhymes with "wrist"), "Peest".
These are just a few examples. Sorry if this is a lame thread, or if it's been covered before. | 
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01-09-2005, 06:06 PM
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| Epee: Ep-ay
Sabre:Say-Bur
Foil: Stoo-pid
Piste: Pissed
Lame: La-May
Vniti: Va-neeti
Riposte: Rip-oast
Parry: Pair-ree
Salle: Saul
Sylwia: Sil-wee-ah
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01-09-2005, 06:26 PM
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#3 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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| I think you'll get some very different answers depending on who'll respond to that.
For instance I do not recognise any of the 'pronounciations' you suggested. I suppose I would actually have to hear you say it to know if I agree or not.
I'm trying to 'adjust' my ears to US Speech Mode but I'm not sure I would recognise the french/german/russian since the letters are pronounced so much differently.
So - as you say in the US - I'll rest my case! 
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01-09-2005, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatReallyHurt
Epee: Pronounced as "ep-pay", "ep-pee", "ay-pay", "ay-pee".
Prieur: "Preear" (rhymed with "fear"), "Pry-er", "Pree-ar".
Lame: "Lam-ay", "lamb".
Uhlmann: "Ul-man", "Ool-man".
Piste: "Pist" (rhymes with "wrist"), "Peest". | Epee:ep-pay
Prieur: Preear (rhymed with fear)
Lame: Lah-may
Uhlmann: Ul-man
Piste: Peest.
But hey that just me.
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01-09-2005, 07:36 PM
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| epee: eppay
ulhmann: oolmaaaan
piste: peest
prieur: pre- er
lame: lamay
salle: sall
pret? (ready?): prrey
allez!: allaay
sylwia: SEXY  | |
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01-09-2005, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ThatReallyHurt Hello everyone,
I've run into a few instances where I've mispronounced something in fencing, or run into multiple pronounciations of things. Given that there are people from all over the planet on this forum, how do you pronounce some of the more common fencing terms/companies/items/etc?
For example, I've heard (apologies for missing accents):
Epee: Pronounced as "ep-pay", "ep-pee", "ay-pay", "ay-pee".
Prieur: "Preear" (rhymed with "fear"), "Pry-er", "Pree-ar".
Lame: "Lam-ay", "lamb".
Uhlmann: "Ul-man", "Ool-man".
Piste: "Pist" (rhymes with "wrist"), "Peest".
These are just a few examples. Sorry if this is a lame thread, or if it's been covered before. | This is the proper (French) pronunciation. Spelt phonetically by a half-English-half-Frenchman (the '-' indicates where the stress should be)..............
Épée: epay
Prieur: pree-er
Lamé: larm-ay
Uhlmann: Ul-man
Piste: peest
Blade: larm
Weapon: arm
Guard: kok-e
Fleuret (foil): fler-ay
Sabre: sah-brah (lots of phlegm needed)
Parry: pa-rade
Riposte: ree-poust
Counter-attack: contratak
En garde: on garde
Prêt: pray
Allez: al-ay
Halt: alt
Salle: sal
Oh, bugger: mer-DE
Ar$e (a$$, in American): poooo-ta de bore-del de mer-de
You git: sal-lo, or: kon-nar
Are you blind, ref?!: enc-coo-LAY!!!
Further vocabulary available upon request... 
Last edited by Alain; 01-09-2005 at 08:02 PM.
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01-09-2005, 08:32 PM
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01-09-2005, 08:57 PM
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| Is lamé really larmé in French? Or is it spelled like we do, but pronounced that way for some reason? Or is that a typo? (I always assumed it was lamay) | |
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01-09-2005, 10:22 PM
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| I am fairly certain that is a typo. Standard pronounciation for it is la-may.
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01-09-2005, 10:22 PM
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| Epee = EP-pay
Prieur = pwee-URR
Lame = laa-MAY
Uhlmann = OOL-mon
Piste = PEEST
Riposte = ree-POAST
En garde = on-guard
Allez = al-LAY
Salle = SAHL
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01-09-2005, 10:25 PM
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| salle is pronounced like the a in Al, not awnings. Right?
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01-09-2005, 10:44 PM
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| ?? How are those two "a"s pronounced differently? They rhyme with the "o" in "hot" as well as the "augh" in "caught" and the "ough" in "ought" and all the "a"s in "fa la la la la, la la la la"
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01-09-2005, 10:53 PM
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| How about the "a" in Al, pal....wtf. Why did I write "shawl"? | |
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01-10-2005, 12:29 AM
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| yes...it is
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01-10-2005, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs Is lamé really larmé in French? Or is it spelled like we do, but pronounced that way for some reason? Or is that a typo? (I always assumed it was lamay) | Yes, it really is. It's difficult to spell phonetically, but when you see an 'é' in French, it is pronounced 'a' or 'ay' in English. Quote: |
Originally Posted by mrbiggs salle is pronounced like the a in Al, not awnings. Right? | Yup. | |
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01-10-2005, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs Is lamé really larmé in French? | I think you should bear in mind that Alain is british (well, half french-half british) and brits don't pronounce the letter R as 'thick' as you do in the US.
So drop the R.
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01-10-2005, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen I think you should bear in mind that Alain is british (well, half french-half british) and brits don't pronounce the letter R as 'thick' as you do in the US.
So drop the R. | Exactly, I am a Franglais. It's really difficult to explain how things should be pronounced, in words, with a million different types of English accent flying round. The main thing is that if someone doesn't understand you, just speak REALLY loudly, and sloooowly, and point and make big hand gestures. Careful what gestures, though...  | |
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01-10-2005, 05:19 PM
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| Actually, I had never hear the word lamé until I came to the United States. French fencers call their lamé a "cuirasse electrique" which roughly translates to "electric steel jacket:" http://www.cartel-escrime.com/catalo...45&language=fr
I think that "lamé" is a French word that might have been used at some point in the French fencing world, but isn't nowadays.
Lamé, according to my French dictionnary is actually an adjective that is used to specify that some sort of fabric has been embroidered with some metal.
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01-10-2005, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen I think you should bear in mind that Alain is british (well, half french-half british) and brits don't pronounce the letter R as 'thick' as you do in the US.
So drop the R. | OHHHHHH, thank you. I forgot to factor in the British part. That's good, then. | |
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01-10-2005, 06:32 PM
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| Hey - this is great! Way more than I was expecting!
Thanks everyone for your input, I really appreciate your help. | |
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