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fluidfencer · 01-06-2005, 05:11 PM

Can somebody confirm the Southeast Sectionals date for me? The University of Florida site says May 7-8. The Section web site, of course, says nothing. I think the original date was bumped by the Chattanooga NAC.

wbowman · 01-07-2005, 01:19 PM

Ahhh, yes. The Southeast Sectionals date. One of the mysteries of the universe.

noodle · 01-07-2005, 01:51 PM

as far as i know, that is the correct date.

mollusk · 01-07-2005, 04:52 PM

I'm going to Jacksonville on the 15th to fence and I'll ask. Since they are hosting they should know.

glowstix · 01-07-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mollusk

I'm going to Jacksonville on the 15th to fence and I'll ask. Since they are hosting they should know.

jax is hosting sectionals?? and i can't even fence it. btw, i sometimes go to jax to fence too..

HDG · 01-08-2005, 02:32 AM

Just getting back into the sport; what are the qualify rules for the sectionals? As Fluidfencer points out, the SE Section website is not helpful.

O_O · 01-08-2005, 04:51 AM

i have no friggen clue.

then why am i replying?

i have no friggen clue.

noodle · 01-08-2005, 05:35 AM

1) yes the SES will be held in jacksonville
2) its way too late and i'm way too tired to do whatever for the sectional qualification path
3) the SES webpage is not an official page. its just run by some dude. there is no official page with information or anything for our section. the section just smiles and nods toward the one by the guy when asked. at least, this is my understanding of why it lacks in information.

dekko · 01-11-2005, 12:21 PM

Sectionals is still April 30-May 1, not sure where the other date comes from but.....

Jacksonville is out because they can't get a place. It was planned for the weekend before but the NAC happened and we can't have it then for lots of reasons. So it will move down the rotation and where it lands no one knows yet.

Maybe we will all know soon.

noodle · 01-11-2005, 04:33 PM

dekko, know anything else? i don't really have my finger on the pulse of SES politics. the date really matters to me due to exams. and if its really an issue (i don't know the politics involved in whatever's going on), i'd love to see sectionals hosted here at clemson (cheap and large venue, central location).

mollusk · 01-11-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle

dekko, know anything else? i don't really have my finger on the pulse of SES politics. the date really matters to me due to exams. and if its really an issue (i don't know the politics involved in whatever's going on), i'd love to see sectionals hosted here at clemson (cheap and large venue, central location).

... and some really superb whitewater close by, too. I used to do a lot of open canoe white watewater (up to Grade III if the difficulty was based more on the technical difficulty than the bigness of the water) before marriage and children. Now the risk is unacceptable. Bull Sluice Rapids (on the Chattooga) is a really nice open boat run if the water isn't too high.

It is a bit of a b**** to get there, however.

noodle · 01-11-2005, 05:09 PM

not saying it wouldn't a tough trip for you, but its in the center of the section :P
like miami or norfolk wasn't tough for me last two years, eh?

fluidfencer · 01-11-2005, 05:31 PM

Something is REALLY wrong here.

Alabama swapped sectional dates with Jacksonville so that they can take advantage of the Super Bowl opportunities in 2005.

The Alabama Division is scheduled to host Sectionals NEXT year, and we are already working on those plans for NEXT year.

I hope the Section has another plan, because the Alabama Division is hosting Sectionals NEXT year.

I will give Bill Becker a call. I hope there is a Plan B. Did I mention that Alabama was hosting Sectionals NEXT year?

By the way... I am not an Alabama Division officer but work closely with them.

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Originally Posted by dekko

Sectionals is still April 30-May 1, not sure where the other date comes from but.....

Jacksonville is out because they can't get a place. It was planned for the weekend before but the NAC happened and we can't have it then for lots of reasons. So it will move down the rotation and where it lands no one knows yet.

Maybe we will all know soon.

dekko · 01-11-2005, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fluidfencer

Something is REALLY wrong here.

Alabama swapped sectional dates with Jacksonville so that they can take advantage of the Super Bowl opportunities in 2005.

The Alabama Division is scheduled to host Sectionals NEXT year, and we are already working on those plans for NEXT year.

I hope the Section has another plan, because the Alabama Division is hosting Sectionals NEXT year.

I will give Bill Becker a call. I hope there is a Plan B. Did I mention that Alabama was hosting Sectionals NEXT year?

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Not sure why you seem to be so upset about this. I am guessing Alabama will still host sectionals next year if you like. Chances are you could move it to this year if you have the ability and people to make it happen. Then again maybe not.

As for working with the division officers, I'm happy for you? Where is the part where I care because we haven't gotten there yet. If you guys are slated for next year then fine I guess that means you are out for this year, since you are hosting it next year(did I mention that).

Since it seems to matter to you, since you are hosting it next year(from what I hear), as I recall next would be TN. Since they are having the NAC I doubt they will want anything to do with sectionals this year. Next would be SC. Do they want it, can they do it, will they do the work necessary to make it happen? Don't know, guess that's is up to the division officers. Next would be NC, and we can host it and do what is needed to make it happen. Next would be GA, but it doesn't matter because this search would stop in NC.

I have heard Alabama will be hosting it next year so good luck!(however that's just rumor and may not be true but that is what I hear)

oiuyt · 01-11-2005, 06:16 PM

At least some sections have a policy where if a division doesn't host that division moves to the bottom of the rotation. Perhaps FluidFencer is concerned that if SES has such a policy (never having been a member I wouldn't be able to tell you if they (you) do) that Alabama might, by rule, be forced to either move up their plans (possibly a problem for them) or forego hosting completely for the next several years.

-B :)

fluidfencer · 01-11-2005, 06:17 PM

I did a poor job expressing my point, mainly because I was so surprised by the possible change in venue/Division.

My big concern is the fact that it is mid-January and there aren't even Sectionals on the calendar. How can they be on a specific date if we don't even know who will host them. The May date I previously mentioned came from the University of Florida web site, which seemed to be the only one listing a date (although I didn't check every club calendar in Florida).

The other frustration is that Alabama Division (as minor a player as we are) have begun planning Sectionals over a year in advance. Eric Dew mentioned in another thread that he is working on his RYC schedule for next year. That's the kind of planning we should expect from people (that last word intentionally kept very general).

Doesn't this raise a billion questions, in your mind, about what happened? I'm more upset about what it says about our sport than any inconvenience it might cause our Division. This is not the way things should be done.

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Originally Posted by dekko

Not sure why you seem to be so upset about this. I am guessing Alabama will still host sectionals next year if you like. Chances are you could move it to this year if you have the ability and people to make it happen. Then again maybe not.

As for working with the division officers, I'm happy for you? Where is the part where I care because we haven't gotten there yet. If you guys are slated for next year then fine I guess that means you are out for this year, since you are hosting it next year(did I mention that).

Since it seems to matter to you, since you are hosting it next year(from what I hear), as I recall next would be TN. Since they are having the NAC I doubt they will want anything to do with sectionals this year. Next would be SC. Do they want it, can they do it, will they do the work necessary to make it happen? Don't know, guess that's is up to the division officers. Next would be NC, and we can host it and do what is needed to make it happen. Next would be GA, but it doesn't matter because this search would stop in NC.

I have heard Alabama will be hosting it next year so good luck!(however that's just rumor and may not be true but that is what I hear)

dekko · 01-11-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oiuyt

At least some sections have a policy where if a division doesn't host that division moves to the bottom of the rotation. Perhaps FluidFencer is concerned that if SES has such a policy (never having been a member I wouldn't be able to tell you if they (you) do) that Alabama might, by rule, be forced to either move up their plans (possibly a problem for them) or forego hosting completely for the next several years.

-B

If that's the case it would suck to be Alabama. I suspect due to the extreme nature of the situation and the fact that the NAC suddenly scheduled for the weekend the section had planned and contract signed for had not happened this wouldn't be a problem. Not sure where the UF website got it's info but it was never set for that weekend.

I am glad to hear that Alabama is working a year in advance to get things done for this event, a good idea not because edew mentioned it but a good idea none the less, it does not raise any questions in my mind. I was merely pointing out that the date someone put on this thread was in extreme error and wanted to let everyone know.

Since it seems to matter to so many of you here is what happened. SES was planned for the weekend of April 23-24, if the date is wrong you get the idea, with the contract signed and everything a done deal. Then the NAC gets scheduled for the same weekend now SES must move weekends. It was decided to move it a week back to many divisionals reasons. Jacksonville was barely able to get the contract voided much less find another place for the event. They have finally exhausted all options to have it there. Now it moves down the rotation list. Alabama is set to host it next year and to move it up a year on them would cause lots of problems. Besides, no offense, but they don't have the people, resources or know how to do an event of this magnatude in 3-4 months as other divisions do. So, the TN folks are next up but have said no due to the NAC about to happen there. Next is SC, etc........

Alabama will not lose their spot due the extreme circumstances around this move. Again, the weekend did not change and was never planned for May 7-8. I suspect Bruce Capin guessed on the dates from years past. This time he was wrong.

Perhaps it would be a good idea for those of you in the SE section to ask you section officers what is going on and not guess, take someone else's word for it, or fall into rumors started by some people on chat sites. Maybe it's a good idea to email one of them directly and ask them what is going on. Maybe it's a good idea. Then again..............

mlr2fence · 01-11-2005, 08:11 PM

So now the lack of early planning on the part of USFA has trickled on down. Not surprising that its causing problems with the divisions/sectionals. Look at the havoc this lack of planning has wreaked on the youth with the RYC/SYC. I have trouble wrapping my brain around the reasons why a schedule cannot be made and published at Summer Nationals for the coming season.

fluidfencer · 01-12-2005, 09:37 AM

I spoke to Bill Becker for awhile this morning. The only certainty at this point is that Sectionals will be held on the April 30 - May 1 weekend. He is working on finding a club to host it and should have a commitment in the very near future.

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Originally Posted by mlr2fence

So now the lack of early planning on the part of USFA has trickled on down. Not surprising that its causing problems with the divisions/sectionals. Look at the havoc this lack of planning has wreaked on the youth with the RYC/SYC. I have trouble wrapping my brain around the reasons why a schedule cannot be made and published at Summer Nationals for the coming season.

dekko · 01-12-2005, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fluidfencer

I spoke to Bill Becker for awhile this morning. The only certainty at this point is that Sectionals will be held on the April 30 - May 1 weekend. He is working on finding a club to host it and should have a commitment in the very near future.

Well look at you. Going to the source instead of checking this thread for information.

Congrats! Next stop, the late 90's. Be sure to use both feet when you make that oh so mighty leap.

Can't wait to see you here in 2005!