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View Poll Results: Have your parents fenced, or are still active fencers? | |
My father is not a fencer
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My father is a fencer, but a different main weapon than mine
|    | 3 | 3.06% | |
My father is a fencer, same weapon as mine
|    | 8 | 8.16% | |
My mother is not a fencer
|    | 85 | 86.73% | |
My mother is a fencer, but a different main weapon than mine
|    | 3 | 3.06% | |
My mother is a fencer, same weapon as mine
|    | 3 | 3.06% | 
12-31-2004, 07:44 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden
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| Fencing runs in Families?
Hi!
Have your parents fenced?
Have a nice time!
Peter Gustafsson | 
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12-31-2004, 12:21 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hamilton, ON
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| Neither of my parents ever even SAW fencing until I started it, and I only know of a couple of people in Ontario who followed their parents into the sport. | |
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12-31-2004, 12:27 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pacoima, ca USA
Posts: 5,832
| Neither parent here...but there IS the Runyon family out of San Diego...both parents (Josh & Heidi) and both sons....all on sabre (and mom also does foil).
I once asked Josh is he had a dog who fenced.... | |
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12-31-2004, 12:27 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
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| neither of mine are fencers, nor do they want to be. I intend for my children to be fencers though.
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12-31-2004, 01:22 PM
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#5 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Wokingham, United Kingdom
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Neither of my parents fence... yet! My brother got into it when he was a kid, then I started soon after. Not long ago, Phil and I persuaded them (under the affluence of inkahol) to do the next beginner course (that I teach) at our club!  | |
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12-31-2004, 01:54 PM
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#6 | | Senior Member
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| This poll is flawed/biased/defective/completely useless. Just thought I would get that out of the way!  I am in the not applicable category although both of my parents have done a fair amount of hand and weapon based martial arts, although my mother has moved to the Ki Akido and Tai Chi stuff for the relaxation and exercise benefits in here declining years.
I have noticed in my students that several of the family unit fencers (mother/father and children) that we have the kids tend to be very strong fencers for their age and experience, although I am not sure if that is simply because the are more encouraged and have more chances to train outside the club. It would be interesting to see a broad reaching study done on this as it is something I have wondered about myself.
I assume that certain attributes such as reaction speed, spacial awareness and short twitch muscles tend to be genetic but it would be very interesting to learn what other attributes that make a strong fencer can be passed along as opposed to learned. Then we can start breading the future generation of Uber Fencers!
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12-31-2004, 01:59 PM
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#7 | | Senior Member
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| uh-huh, a DFP+Kismet fencer would be a very fine fencer indeed.
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12-31-2004, 06:13 PM
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#8 | | Senior Member
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| My parents both fence off and on (more off then on though), but both my brothers fence and my dad's cousin fence. | |
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12-31-2004, 08:41 PM
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#9 | | Senior Member
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| Hi! Quote: |
Originally Posted by CvilleFencer This poll is flawed/biased/defective/completely useless. Just thought I would get that out of the way! | And how would that be? Please state examples, other than self-selection bias. Quote: |
Originally Posted by CvilleFencer I have noticed in my students that several of the family unit fencers (mother/father and children) that we have the kids tend to be very strong fencers for their age and experience, although I am not sure if that is simply because the are more encouraged and have more chances to train outside the club. It would be interesting to see a broad reaching study done on this as it is something I have wondered about myself.
I assume that certain attributes such as reaction speed, spacial awareness and short twitch muscles tend to be genetic but it would be very interesting to learn what other attributes that make a strong fencer can be passed along as opposed to learned. Then we can start breading the future generation of Uber Fencers! | Probably a combination of nature and nurture.
An enlightening example: In Sweden, there are several national high schools for the top-10 (or so) each year in most sports. These schools are placed at ordinary schools, but all PE time (and some other) is geared at the sport. Many of those students go on to become fixtures of the National team in their sport, and in many sports most Natl. members are alums. The cross-country skiing school is one of the largest, and one of the few that has a lot of the under-represented gender at the same place as the other gender. Quite a few years, most members of the Natl. CC skiing teams married to/cohabiting with other alums. There are also several marriages where both parties have taken OG medals in CC skiing. However, the offspring of those marriages have not TTBOMK made it to either senior CC skiing Natl. team. So, good genes is not enough by a long shot.
Biathlon has taken that one step further - many of its top international competitors are married to National team members from *other* countries. Go figure.
Happy new Year!
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12-31-2004, 08:48 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson And how would that be? Please state examples, other than self-selection bias. | No particular reason, its just that someone almost always pops up with a longwinded diatribe on why a poll is flawed or inaccurate so I thought I would go ahead and say it to hopefully head them off! Quote: |
An enlightening example: In Sweden, there are several national high schools for the top-10 (or so) each year in most sports. These schools are placed at ordinary schools, but all PE time (and some other) is geared at the sport. Many of those students go on to become fixtures of the National team in their sport, and in many sports most Natl. members are alums. The cross-country skiing school is one of the largest, and one of the few that has a lot of the under-represented gender at the same place as the other gender. Quite a few years, most members of the Natl. CC skiing teams married to/cohabiting with other alums. There are also several marriages where both parties have taken OG medals in CC skiing. However, the offspring of those marriages have not TTBOMK made it to either senior CC skiing Natl. team. So, good genes is not enough by a long shot.
| I am not sure the above is a good example for your argument. CC skiing, from what I understand is mostly endurance, which can have a bit to do with your genetics but is more to do with training. Fencing, which uses extreme hand/eye coordination, polymetric/short twitch muscle groups and situational awareness would not seem to be directly comparable, although there may be aspects of CC skiing that I am not aware of as my version of CC skiing is the flat stretch from the lift to the slope...
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12-31-2004, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer Then we can start breading the future generation of Uber Fencers! | And deep-frying them and eating them!
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12-31-2004, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFencer Then we can start breading the future generation of Uber Fencers! | And deep-frying and eating them!!
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01-01-2005, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt. Slo-mo And deep-frying and eating them!! | Well what other use would we have for them? I certainly don't want to have to fence a super uber enhanced 18 year old fencer who has trained thier footwork, distance and timing since they could walk and was doing point control in the crib! Especially as a vet! I move slow enough as it is....
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01-01-2005, 04:31 AM
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| Actually, a better indicator (another poll in the making???) might be whether both or one of your parents were athletic, not necessarily in fencing.
My father (plays tennis regularly) and my brothers (mostly football but other sports up until college) all do some kind of sports. I did a number of sports in high school but was never really involved until I took up fencing in college. Ironically, out of all three brothers, I am the only one still involved in sports and the only one who has done it beyond the local level. Go figure!
Back to the point, I think most of the fencers probably did some sort of athletics or had parents/siblings who did. | |
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01-01-2005, 02:02 PM
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| My mum used to be a pretty good Epeeist. I only ever fenced Epee once, when I entered a one-hit Epee comp for a laugh with no previous training. Even managed to fluke a couple of wins.
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01-01-2005, 04:02 PM
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| My dad was fencing Master, Gerard Poujardieu. My brother, recently deceased Gerard Jr., also was a fencing coach for 17 years. My mother fenced a couple of years when I was very little, and she was very good. One of my brother's sons fences, and my sister has fenced in the past. We were raised to fence at a very early age, before a mask could even stay on. I fenced many times in tournaments throughout my teenage years and well into my twenties, and some in my thirties.
So yes, fencing can run in families, depending on how serious the parent is in this sport.
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01-02-2005, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterGustafsson Have your parents fenced? | Unfortunately not. I am the first one EVER in my family to have discovered this beloved sport!
Futhermore, I am the only one in my family to do anything athletic at all... 
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01-02-2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen Unfortunately not. I am the first one EVER in my family to have discovered this beloved sport!
Futhermore, I am the only one in my family to do anything athletic at all... | You are not alone!  | |
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01-02-2005, 08:34 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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| Neither of my parents fenced, although I recently found out that my grandparents fenced for a while.
My kids are learning footwork as soon as they can walk. | 
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01-03-2005, 06:34 AM
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| No they are not.
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