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Torg · 12-28-2004, 10:35 PM

tonight at my club, i was fencing a guy, and he did a very powerful to my hand. although he didn't get a point for it, he hit a blood vessel in my thumb, and it swelled up immediately. i had to stop for the night, i could barely feel my thumb for the next 10 minutes.

obviously the best way to stop such injuries is just prevent the flick, but if this were to happen in a tournament, how does that work? do i get a break until i'm better? what's the best way of ignoring the pain and to keep fencing?

noodle · 12-28-2004, 10:57 PM

in a tournament bout, you have the right to take injury time if you have a valid injury. i don't know, though, if this kind of thing would be valid enough to warrant you injury time.

KShan5[PrFC] · 12-28-2004, 10:58 PM

You ask the ref, and then you call the doctor to the strip. If he thinks it is sginificant, you get a ten minute break. If you're not better by then, you forfeit.

Torg · 12-29-2004, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by noodle

in a tournament bout, you have the right to take injury time if you have a valid injury. i don't know, though, if this kind of thing would be valid enough to warrant you injury time.

well, my thumb was turning black and blue and significantly swelling in a matter of seconds... not only was i hurting, it was visibly bad as well. shouldn't that constitute a valild injury?

ReverseLunge · 12-29-2004, 03:53 AM

Is there a bathroom at your club? If there is then you should go in there, get some toilet paper and dry your tears.

Zilverzmurfen · 12-29-2004, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Torg

well, my thumb was turning black and blue and significantly swelling in a matter of seconds... not only was i hurting, it was visibly bad as well. shouldn't that constitute a valild injury?

It most certainly would, especially if the touche landed on your "weapon hand". You should get a 10 minute break like Telkanuru said.

Hope your thumb gets better soon!

Alain · 12-29-2004, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Torg

tonight at my club, i was fencing a guy, and he did a very powerful to my hand. although he didn't get a point for it, he hit a blood vessel in my thumb, and it swelled up immediately. i had to stop for the night, i could barely feel my thumb for the next 10 minutes.

obviously the best way to stop such injuries is just prevent the flick, but if this were to happen in a tournament, how does that work? do i get a break until i'm better? what's the best way of ignoring the pain and to keep fencing?

If necessary, you can call a medic to the piste and have a 10-minute break to get fixed. After that, you have to either stop fencing or fight on for glory...

If your injury is really bad - if you're missing an arm or something - then it's probably best to stop. If it's just a fleshwound, though, try to keep on fighting! Ignoring pain comes with practice - there's a saying that "pain doesn't hurt" - it's all in the mind, apparently... try to concentrate on the fight and nothing else.

I hope you get better soon

P.S. It's always a good idea to have a medkit in your bag, just in case...

Zilverzmurfen · 12-29-2004, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Alain

If your injury is really bad - if you're missing an arm or something - then it's probably best to stop.

That sounds sensible, and in some strange sort of way, very very british!!!

Schiavona · 12-29-2004, 07:28 AM

I was at a tournament where a fencer broke, well, his heel bone. It was the final match. We had a doctor there(another fencer) who put a splint on it and told the fencer it was up to him if he wanted to continue. He did and won the bout and the tournament. It was glorious.

LordTofuDog-jnr · 12-29-2004, 06:09 PM

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I was at a tournament where a fencer broke, well, his heel bone. It was the final match. We had a doctor there(another fencer) who put a splint on it and told the fencer it was up to him if he wanted to continue. He did and won the bout and the tournament. It was glorious.

Well I've fenced badly injured people and it just takes the fight out of you, if you win then "woohoo he beat a guy who was in massive pain" and so you get less will to take advantage of them.

Alain · 12-29-2004, 06:48 PM

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Well I've fenced badly injured people and it just takes the fight out of you, if you win then "woohoo he beat a guy who was in massive pain" and so you get less will to take advantage of them.

You're right, it's pretty awkward for everyone. The injured guy is, well... injured, and their opponent doesn't want to do them any more damage. I guess it comes down to who has a bigger appetite for winning

Still, best not to get injured in the first place: an incentive to keep good distance when fencing..!

Schiavona · 12-29-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LordTofuDog-jnr

Well I've fenced badly injured people and it just takes the fight out of you, if you win then "woohoo he beat a guy who was in massive pain" and so you get less will to take advantage of them.

Well, it was only 2 touches to 1st place and the other guy didn't hold back. It was good to watch

esskreemr · 12-29-2004, 07:05 PM

I hope you remembered the obligatory riposte to the kneecap. Make him start thinking about his distance too...

foilz · 12-29-2004, 07:21 PM

The flick is very tiresome in the hands of people who don't know how to do it.

I admire fencers who can hammer you magically on your shoulder blade. But I have a black nail on my non-fencing hand from a flickomaniac who can't do it, never will be able to do it, and frankly, it drives me insane.

Flicking is all he goes to the strip to do.

There's no crying in fencing, but his incompetence hurt like hell, my thumb wouldn't stop bleeding, and it ruined my night.

Worst of all, no apology. "Run it under cold water," he said. "That will fix it."

Apart from this absurd fixation, he is a nice man. I would, however, like to run his head under cold water.

How do I "advise" him to desist?

LordTofuDog-jnr · 12-29-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by foilz

The flick is very tiresome in the hands of people who don't know how to do it.

I admire fencers who can hammer you magically on your shoulder blade. But I have a black nail on my non-fencing hand from a flickomaniac who can't do it, never will be able to do it, and frankly, it drives me insane.

Flicking is all he goes to the strip to do.

There's no crying in fencing, but his incompetence hurt like hell, my thumb wouldn't stop bleeding, and it ruined my night.

Worst of all, no apology. "Run it under cold water," he said. "That will fix it."

Apart from this absurd fixation, he is a nice man. I would, however, like to run his head under cold water.

How do I "advise" him to desist?

Wait until he's not looking and flick him really hard in the back of the head! "OOPS I FORGOT THAT PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FLICK OFTEN HIT THE WRONG PLACE CAUSING SERIOUS INJURY! Hint hint!"
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I jest of course.

Torg · 12-29-2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LordTofuDog-jnr

I jest of course.

shame... sounds like a good idea to me!

LordTofuDog-jnr · 12-29-2004, 10:47 PM

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shame... sounds like a good idea to me!

Well yeah but it might get you into a bit of trouble.

Welted 24/7 · 12-29-2004, 11:57 PM

Well, here's what you do- trade him your wrecked hand for his lashed and bloody back. "Accidentally" whip him while attempting to flick. The louder the "THWAP", the better.

telkanuru · 12-30-2004, 12:00 AM

I think this should rather teach you how to keep good distance....

ThatReallyHurt · 12-30-2004, 01:41 AM

Why is it that a hit on something so little (like a fingernail, knuckle, or kneecap) can stop someone cold and bring a tear of "whooOOOAAAHHWwwh" to the eyes, while getting whipped across the chest or stomach barely registers?

Stupid nerves in all the wrong places...