12-30-2004, 04:02 AM
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#21 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| A story, possibly apocryphal.
Long ago, a student of Ralph Faulkner was fencing epee when his opponent's blade snapped and went into his chest, narrowly missing piercing his lung. As he lay on the piste bleeding and in pain, the maestro walked up, looked down at him and said "That wouldn't have happened if you'd parried".
( Lest anyone object to this as an impertinent slur against Mr. Faulkner, it's the student in question who related the anecdote. And he idolized the man... )
The moral: parry! | 
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12-30-2004, 06:51 AM
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#22 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Inquartata The moral: parry! | Amen to that. I remember my coach once drew blood in a lesson (okay, I was wearing a t-shirt, but still...). When I saw the blood I was like, "OMG, I'm dying!!!!!!!!!!!!"... and he just said, "Well you should've parried, then".
Moral 1: learn to parry.
Moral 2: coaches are evil. Quote: |
Originally Posted by foilz How do I "advise" him to desist? | Well, it would appear that you have two options available:
1) Revenge. It's not big, it's not clever, but still it makes you feel good 
2) Just tell him. Something like: "Look mate, I can't feel my hand anymore. You do those flicks all the time and although they rarely score, they always manage to cause unbearable, excruciating agony. Is there any chance you could calm it down a bit, please..?"
If Option 2 fails, either try it again, or go for Option 1 !
Best of luck 
Last edited by Alain; 12-30-2004 at 08:04 AM.
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12-30-2004, 07:43 AM
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12-30-2004, 08:01 AM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Inquartata A story, possibly apocryphal.
Long ago, a student of Ralph Faulkner was fencing epee when his opponent's blade snapped and went into his chest, narrowly missing piercing his lung. As he lay on the piste bleeding and in pain, the maestro walked up, looked down at him and said "That wouldn't have happened if you'd parried". *snip*
| Sounds like he was all heart 
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12-30-2004, 11:26 AM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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| Hey, guys. Let me add a little clarity to this discussion as I am the guy that messed up Torg's hand earlier this week.
First, to my knowledge, this is the first time I have hurt somebody at our club. Torg, I am sorry I injured your hand. It was unintentional and I'm sure you will get me back for it some day 
Second, I am not a chronic flicker who doesn't know what he's doing. This assumption was immediately made by several of the board's members. I almost never flick in epee. I am a foilist by trade and I'd say 80% of my shots in epee are made to the body, 95% with straight thrusts. In short, you don't know me, you haven't fenced me, so by all accounts you should probably just shut the hell up. Torg merely asked what would happen if something like this went down in a tournament. That's a good question and it was well answered.
My last point is meant for those of you who have forgotten that fencing is a sport that involves contact, blades, and at times, injury. If you are one of those "classical" fencers who thinks that this sport should never hurt, please go find a local girlscout club to fence at. When you are done prancing around like a nymph complaining about "flickers," maybe they will bake you some cookies.
I love this sport, I just don't like all of the whimps who practice it (Torg, this does not include you).
-Tad
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12-31-2004, 01:37 AM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by tsalyards Hey, guys. Let me add a little clarity to this discussion as I am the guy that messed up Torg's hand earlier this week.
First, to my knowledge, this is the first time I have hurt somebody at our club. Torg, I am sorry I injured your hand. It was unintentional and I'm sure you will get me back for it some day
Second, I am not a chronic flicker who doesn't know what he's doing. This assumption was immediately made by several of the board's members. I almost never flick in epee. I am a foilist by trade and I'd say 80% of my shots in epee are made to the body, 95% with straight thrusts. In short, you don't know me, you haven't fenced me, so by all accounts you should probably just shut the hell up. Torg merely asked what would happen if something like this went down in a tournament. That's a good question and it was well answered.
My last point is meant for those of you who have forgotten that fencing is a sport that involves contact, blades, and at times, injury. If you are one of those "classical" fencers who thinks that this sport should never hurt, please go find a local girlscout club to fence at. When you are done prancing around like a nymph complaining about "flickers," maybe they will bake you some cookies.
I love this sport, I just don't like all of the whimps who practice it (Torg, this does not include you).
-Tad | first of all, i know it wasn't intentional, tad, you were one of the few who understood the true meaning of my post. i don't blame you, i was just setting the stage and wondering the protocol for a tournament.
furthermore, although i could just barely feel my hand for the next 5 minutes, the swelling's gone down a lot. made me stop for the night, but nothing serious.
and fifth, for all you holy grail fans, it's only a flesh wound, and i've definitely had worse!
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12-31-2004, 07:38 AM
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| I agree with KShan5[PrFC].He is right.
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12-31-2004, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen That sounds sensible, and in some strange sort of way, very very british!!! | Alain fenced left-handed to qualify for a National event - so grit your teeth if its important! | |
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12-31-2004, 10:23 PM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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| A competition I was in, first Sunday of December, the first DE, my should er went out of the socket. It was my weapon arm, I fell down and rolled onto it instinctively, it popped back in. I got back up, and, wit h the weakest arm ever, lol, I won and placed 3rd, albeit with a huge ice pack on my shoulder/torso by the end of it. But only because I knew my limits. At the last round I was in i forfeited, no use in losing fencinf forever for a one time glory run. Above all, be safe and have fun, if either of those two are in question, then stop for the day. | |
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01-01-2005, 04:34 AM
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#30 | | Boom!
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Originally Posted by Taomagicdragon At the last round I was in i forfeited, no use in losing fencinf forever for a one time glory run. Above all, be safe and have fun, if either of those two are in question, then stop for the day. | Hear, hear. That's a really good point, regardless of whether you're fencing competitively or not. | |
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01-02-2005, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Taomagicdragon A competition I was in, first Sunday of December, the first DE, my should er went out of the socket. It was my weapon arm, I fell down and rolled onto it instinctively, it popped back in. I got back up, and, wit h the weakest arm ever, lol, I won and placed 3rd, albeit with a huge ice pack on my shoulder/torso by the end of it. But only because I knew my limits. At the last round I was in i forfeited, no use in losing fencinf forever for a one time glory run. Above all, be safe and have fun, if either of those two are in question, then stop for the day. | Suck it up and TAKE THE PAIN!
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01-02-2005, 09:33 AM
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#32 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by The Armourer Alain fenced left-handed to qualify for a National event - so grit your teeth if its important! | I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with this expression... 
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01-02-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with this expression... | .... means, be determined and dont give up and put up with some inconvenience. Sorry - I should have used something clearer on here! 
That said, I agree with the comment above, don't cause yourself permanent damage as its only a game! | |
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01-02-2005, 12:40 PM
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#34 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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| Ah!
I feel much more enlightened now, thank's! 
(The posting that I commented on in the first place made me think of the Monty Python sketch from 'Search for the Holy Grail'...very funny, and very very british! )
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01-03-2005, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by The Armourer .... means, be determined and dont give up and put up with some inconvenience. Sorry - I should have used something clearer on here!
That said, I agree with the comment above, don't cause yourself permanent damage as its only a game! | Don't cause permanant damage in the name of fencing?! WEAK!
(The main reason for posting this was so I could have "Posts: 300."
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