12-30-2004, 12:30 AM
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| OSU also has Eileen Grench who came in top 4 at Richmond.
Speaking of Byrne, how long has she been at OSU? Richmond was the first time I'd seen her. She's obviously Irish, but on the OSU webpage it said something about her home town being in germany?
Is this one of those live in one country fence for your home land deals?
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12-30-2004, 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by whtouche OSU also has Eileen Grench who came in top 4 at Richmond. | I've heard good things about her 
And that is exactly the point I was trying to make. i was using thsoe fencers as examples to show what the club can produce.
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12-30-2004, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC] And that is exactly the point I was trying to make. i was using thsoe fencers as examples to show what the club can produce. | The club has not really produced them. The majority of those people came to college as solid fencers. Eileen Grench has only been there four months.
I am not saying that OSU is not a great place I am only saying that most people that fence in a college club are not newbies. It is not an accurate extrapolation to make that the club "produced" those fencers.
They benefit from those fencers as opposed to having produced them.
The same goes for almost all college teams.
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12-30-2004, 10:41 AM
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Mo is right about men's saber. Fencer's Club has by far the most when it comes to top men's saber. But, some of FC fencers are from other clubs and are attending Columbia and St. Johns. I looked up the Junior rankings and Mr. Ma (FASJ) comes in second for the top 20 fencers in the Junior catagory. Oregon comes in a close 3rd. | |
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12-30-2004, 01:04 PM
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| OSU is pretty tough. I went to an open tournament they were hosting a few weeks ago. There was 6 people in men's saber, here was my opening pool:
myself
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Mike Momteslidze
Collin Parker
Jason Paul
I looked at it as a good learning experience. My first bout in DE's was with Jason Rogers. | |
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12-30-2004, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC] I've heard good things about her | Ditto  | |
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12-30-2004, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferrethater OSU is pretty tough. I went to an open tournament they were hosting a few weeks ago. There was 6 people in men's saber, here was my opening pool:
myself
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Mike Momteslidze
Collin Parker
Jason Paul
I looked at it as a good learning experience. My first bout in DE's was with Jason Rogers. | Don't forget that the winner of that tournament earned an 'E'. And REALLY earned it too! :)
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12-30-2004, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Don't forget that the winner of that tournament earned an 'E'. And REALLY earned it too! 
-B | Yeah no kidding - Crompton was the winner, I am sure he was excited about renewing the E.
It was a fun tournament - probably the toughest one I have ever fenced in. | |
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12-30-2004, 03:51 PM
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| Mr. Ma -FC
What Mo said about Mr. Ma,Fencing Academy of South Jersey, is right he has many upcoming fencers and he is well loved by his students. FC has by far the strongest fencers, but many have come from other clubs and fence for the local colleges. They all seemed pleased to fence for this group of strong coaches at FC. Fencing Academy of South Jersey has the second strongest group of saber fencers for top Junior Fencers. Mr. Ma has 4 saber boys in the top 20 of the USFA Juniors list. Oregon with Coach Korfanty, a very personable and well liked man, also has a strong list of saber fencers.
Nellya has strong fencers, but I do not think you would go there to "play" saber. | |
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12-30-2004, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mo The club has not really produced them. The majority of those people came to college as solid fencers. Eileen Grench has only been there four months.
I am not saying that OSU is not a great place I am only saying that most people that fence in a college club are not newbies. It is not an accurate extrapolation to make that the club "produced" those fencers.
They benefit from those fencers as opposed to having produced them.
The same goes for almost all college teams. | He was making two separate thoughts in one post, I think you got them mixed up.
He was referring to my clarification of his post about prise de fer, in response to oiuyt's post. He wasn't implying that these fencers were produced by their institutions of higher learning.
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12-31-2004, 03:10 AM
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| Yet in the case of OSU, Jason had been training with Nazlymov and not his old coach for a number of year before he made the olympics. After going to OSU, Adam Crompton finally won his first world cup. I don't think the fact that fencers have not trained w/ a certain coach in a certain club for ever makes them any worse or better than a club who "made" their fencers.
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12-31-2004, 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by whtouche Speaking of Byrne, how long has she been at OSU? Richmond was the first time I'd seen her. She's obviously Irish, but on the OSU webpage it said something about her home town being in germany?
Is this one of those live in one country fence for your home land deals? |
Yep, this is Byrne's freshman year at OSU. She's lived in Germany all her life but her parents are irish, and she chose at 18 to stay an Irish citizen and fence for them. Now she's fencing again at OSU.
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12-31-2004, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Sabresque Yet in the case of OSU, Jason had been training with Nazlymov and not his old coach for a number of year before he made the olympics. After going to OSU, Adam Crompton finally won his first world cup. I don't think the fact that fencers have not trained w/ a certain coach in a certain club for ever makes them any worse or better than a club who "made" their fencers. | I definitely think a change of venue is an excellent thing for a fencer. Having new better people to fence on a daily basis is great. It is all part of the college experience. For most fencers, college brings a great improvement because of the constant training (if they are at that kind of school) hours available and coaches.
A good college coach can take a fencer farther than they have ever been before.
Finding the right coach and set up for yourself as a fencer is what counts.
The point I took exception to was the term, Originally
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And that is exactly the point I was trying to make. i was using thsoe fencers as examples to show what the club can produce.
It is just the next step in the growth process. No offense was intended. I know my fencer would love to be able to fence with Adam Crompton, Jason Paul, Louis Bond Williams etc, (even Eileen Grench) on a daily basis. 
"Producing" a fencer is a joint effort.
It all adds up.
The better people get the better everyone gets ya know?
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12-31-2004, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by oiuyt Quote:
Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC]
Well if you want to fence in the boston area, Prise de Fer is good in foil (see Henry Kenard). Also, Boston Fencing Club has a good foil program (Chan, and Woodhouse).
Henry spends most of his time in NYC at school (SJU/FC).
How often is Greg ChanG at BFC?
For that matter, now that he's in school (granted still in the area (Harvard)) how often is Enoch at BFC? That said, BFC has a number of strong foilists at BFC. Not compared to FC in NYC, but decent.
-B | That's what I was referring to. Whtouche cleared up the fact that I was saying these clubs have god foil programs, not because these great fencers fence there, but because these great fencers were prodiuced by these clubs.
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Originally Posted by Ferrethater OSU is pretty tough. I went to an open tournament they were hosting a few weeks ago. There was 6 people in men's saber, here was my opening pool:
myself
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Mike Momteslidze
Collin Parker
Jason Paul
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| Nazlymov (along with his son) produced some pretty damn good fencers from scratch while in KC. Also not sure any other sabre coach can match his past acomplishments as both a fencer and coach. | |
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Originally Posted by Ferrethater OSU is pretty tough. I went to an open tournament they were hosting a few weeks ago. There was 6 people in men's saber, here was my opening pool:
myself
Adam Crompton
Jason Rogers
Mike Momteslidze
Collin Parker
Jason Paul
I looked at it as a good learning experience. My first bout in DE's was with Jason Rogers. |
YIKES!!!! What a pool!!!
Btw...if you see Jason Paul again, tell him that my ears are still ringing from a shot he gave me about three years ago!! | |
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03-15-2005, 05:51 PM
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| Considering that five of the US World Team saber fencers going to the World Cups fence at OFA with Ed and Adam coaching.....
That says a lot.
Look at the list on the coaching roster:
Edward Korfanty, Portland, Ore. (Zagunis, Ward, Thompson, Keltner, Ghattas)
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