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tsalyards · 12-30-2004, 04:44 PM

Ooops! I apologize profusely and have no idea what I was saying. I was more referring to a change in coaching, not the demise of the club itself. Sorry about that. That being said, I should probably not distribute said document.

drippingwet · 12-30-2004, 05:08 PM

Fast, hard and many times?

Well fast fencing isn't just a German thing is it?

If you hit hard, won't that hurt?

Hit many times? Well you hit as much as you can, unless you're gonna go for off targets, no?

tsalyards · 12-30-2004, 05:33 PM

Well fast fencing isn't just a German thing is it?

No, of course not.

If you hit hard, won't that hurt?

Yes, it just very well might. It will also lessen the chance of not getting the touch and forces your opponent to deal with a very physical game.

Hit many times? Well you hit as much as you can, unless you're gonna go for off targets, no?

The German System teaches a pupil to hit 2-3 times in a given action. These are referred to as a "safety."

drippingwet · 12-30-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tsalyards

No, of course not.

So why involve "fast" in the description?

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Originally Posted by tsalyards

The German System teaches a pupil to hit 2-3 times in a given action. These are referred to as a "safety."

Could you explain this more or give an example?

fencer08 · 12-30-2004, 08:33 PM

one thing to be aware of - as someone who has trained there (although only for short times) Tauber can be a very insular, isolated place, especially if you are living at the training centre. It is a very, very small town and lacks any significant diversions other than fencing (there are bigger towns close by, but still fairly provincial). some might argue that helps you focus on fencing, but i find you generally perform better when you have some other interests in life. on the other hand, you will never be bored in paris ......... in terms of balancing fencing with a broader cultural experience, I would definitely recommend Paris.

oiuyt · 12-30-2004, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by drippingwet

Could you explain this more or give an example?

Beat the blade, flick to the top of the wrist.

Immediately take in 8 and hit the thigh.

Immediately take in 6 and hit the body.

Immediately remise to the body.

Now do it all on a single fleche.

Whether or not any particular hit scores doesn't matter. If everything has gone well you've just hit 4 times. If things don't go so well you've hit at least a couple of times. If things go poorly you've only hit once. In any case you've lit the light at some point in the action.

-B :)

Louweasel · 01-11-2005, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeHarm

That sounds a lot more sensible than deaf bishop home.. You can run into trouble sometimes with translations if you don't know what the words are. I know of a guy who didn't understand Japanese very well who thought people were complimenting him in Japanese during his training and used the words for his dojo's name and ended up with the Laughing Weasel dojo.

Sounds like a brilliant name for a dojo to me!

guy_smiley · 01-11-2005, 11:20 AM

In the future, you should not state where you got it before you distribute such materials.

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Originally Posted by tsalyards

If you're interested, another member of this forum recently put a lesson manual summarizing the German system into my possession that I am in the process of converting into a pdf document. It was used by Halberstadt Fencing Academy (San Francisco) as part of a coaches college back in 94 and covers the basic lesson system that Beck developed back in the day. I don't think that distributing it would be a problem as Halberstadt is no more.

I would imagine that many of the lesson tenants described are still in use at Tauber. The German System varies greatly from Italian and French schools of epee, so it might aid you in deciding whehter you want to fence there.

I can sum up the German System as follows:

Hit fast
Hit many times
Hit hard

Let me know if you are interested and we can arrange a download.

germanguy · 01-11-2005, 12:42 PM

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Epeecurean · 01-12-2005, 08:15 AM

This pretty much covers it:

http://home.earthlink.net/~allenevans59/GERMANEPEE.HTML

edew · 01-12-2005, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by germanguy

I think there are some inaccuracies in there. As far as I know, in Seoul Anja Fichtel won gold in Womens Foil, followed by two other germans. They also won the team gold. As far as I heared Beck used his influence on focusing on thethree Tauber grils and to leave Schmitt out of the spotlight. Didn't really work though.

BTW: Beck is under investigation for fraud and tax stuff by federal prosecution and is removed from the club. Most people there distance themselves from him now.

Yes, I believe it was Fichtel, Funkenhauser and Bau who took the top-3 spots in women's foil. Then they won the women's foil team event as well. They were the dominant women's foilist in the 80s. Early 90s were the romanians, mid-90s through 2004 are the italians. 2005 on, I'm guessing the chinese and the poles.