12-27-2004, 05:18 PM
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#1 | | Din Älskling
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| Cultured cells fly F-22 from petri dish...
No joke, hope this isn't from The Onion or something: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs...018/brain.html
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12-27-2004, 05:25 PM
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| and what happens when a big, destructive machine has a mind of its own?
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12-27-2004, 05:28 PM
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#3 | | Épéeist Hive Queen
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! and what happens when a big, destructive machine has a mind of its own? | ...it invades Iraq..?
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12-27-2004, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen ...it invades Iraq..? |
haha very funny..... no, it begins to think for itself, and then it rebels, and kills them all.
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12-27-2004, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by D+F+P=Hadouken! and what happens when a big, destructive machine has a mind of its own? | It gives it to the poor, for Christmas charity. | |
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12-28-2004, 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by esskreemr | "Scientists say the research could lead to tiny, brain-controlled prosthetic devices and unmanned airplanes flown by living computers."
living computers?? thats almost the matrix. | |
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12-28-2004, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by glowstix "Scientists say the research could lead to tiny, brain-controlled prosthetic devices and unmanned airplanes flown by living computers."
living computers?? thats almost the matrix. | They're just trying to make it sound fascinating when scientists begin a new field of research. | |
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12-28-2004, 07:49 AM
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| No, it's not from the Onion. CNN.com had a story on this a few weeks ago. As it stands, apparently, the rat-brain can do pretty decently on the flight sim. Certainly not up to par with a human pilot, yet, but I suspect it's only a matter of time.
The applications for industry are mind-boggling, if somewhat frightening. I wonder if the same people who oppose stem-cell will oppose this line of research.
I am also surprised no one's made mention of the Emory University-funded experimental device that, I drek you not, allows the handicapped to control a computer mouse and keyboard with their minds. It's a combination of implant and receiver net (looks like a showercap sorta), and by thinking about moving different parts of their bodies in different ways, the cursor and electronic keys move.
Kinda spooky, huh? Imagine what will happen when someone finally manages to crack the interface translating neurochemical signals into electrical impulses and vice versa.
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12-28-2004, 10:12 AM
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| Oh god, I'm scared already :'( | |
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12-28-2004, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Bokken Kinda spooky, huh? Imagine what will happen when someone finally manages to crack the interface translating neurochemical signals into electrical impulses and vice versa. | With any luck, I'll be dead by then. If not, I imagine I will be soon after.
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12-28-2004, 11:40 AM
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#11 | | Din Älskling
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| hmmm
Wonder what would happen when the AIs decide to cluster the computing power of billions of human brains.
They could free up resources by removing such incidentals as sight, hearing, taste, and touch. Loopback interface for the brainstem, a glucose delivery system. Human brains only consume about 25-30 watts of power per day.
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01-03-2005, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by esskreemr Human brains only consume about 25-30 watts of power per day. | With some notable exceptions--in both directions! 
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01-03-2005, 02:40 PM
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#13 | | Din Älskling
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Originally Posted by lochinvar With some notable exceptions--in both directions! | So, are you saying that those who use more wattage are the smart ones or that those towards the low end are the "dim bulbs". It could go either way.
I could use twice the norm for energy for a simple problem that would require a more efficient thinker considerably less to arrive to a superior conclusion. Or do brains have a standby mode? The genius caliber thinker is always processing information, forming new conclusions; racing off on tangents of intellect, burning energy. The not-so-genius caliber thinker's most challenging mental exercise of "Which pair of underwear should I wear today?" requires considerably less wattage because after the appropriate clothing is chosen the rest of the day is spent on mental autopilot little to no consumption.
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01-03-2005, 02:52 PM
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| This kind of freaks me out, actually.
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01-03-2005, 04:18 PM
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| Yeah, but think about how neat it would be if you were fencing and your weapon arm had a brain for itself!
Of course, it would only be good if that brain and your regular one could sync up and plan movements together... | |
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01-03-2005, 04:30 PM
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| Oi, dont' ask for the impossible...it'll take years of R&D to accomplish that!
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01-03-2005, 04:32 PM
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#17 | | Din Älskling
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| Maybe they could train one of those to direct a fencing bout.
Fencer A receives a black card for drinking the director after a bad call...
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01-07-2005, 06:54 PM
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| They could use absolutely any one of the thousands of flight simulators out there for this experiment, but they choose F-22; I would imagine for the name recognition. Entertaining.
I know I should be against this research, because of the frightening implications it includes...but it's just so cool!
It would be great research if the cells could be grown to be nothing more than processing power, no different from any other computer. But, where does a mind start to come in? Where is the line between just responding to pre-programmed stimuli, and actually having preferences? It's the same kind of questions we'll have to face as we get to really advanced AI...and just thinking of some of the moral/ethical issues is already making my head hurt. | |
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01-07-2005, 08:14 PM
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| did these people never watch The Terminator? 
Or Bladerunner.
Or the Matrix.
And that awful one with Kirk Douglas....
Scary.
His acting too...
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01-08-2005, 07:10 PM
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| Bladerunner? Ultimately, I'd argue, they were "more human than human" - Roy by the end was what every man should aspire to be.
That said, as soon as you develop an artificial intelligence with any real power you need to raise it like you would a child to ensure it wouldn't go nuts (and also hardwiring with a couple of rules like, say, the 10 commandsments/Asimov's laws of robotics or whatever might be a good idea). | |
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