BG vs. SG?

[beeyeelelwhy]

Quick and possibly stupid question. On the Blue Gauntlet site, along with Uhlman and other brands they have their own brand of somewhat low quality Blue Gauntlet equipment (BG). But they also have other stuff, just called SG. I was wondering what SG stands for and also if it a sister company of Blue Gauntlet or something. The SG equipment seems to be a slightly better quality than the BG equipment. If this question is so dumb that you are truely mentaly bothered by it, I sincerely appoligize, but it has really been bothering me so please help.

[noodle]

SG = saint george (http://www.sgfencing.com/) (p.s.: covered this in my FAQ)
SG is a child company of BG, but they're really the same company. i haven't noticed a significant quality difference between the two stamps, but i haven't ordered a lot of stuff from SG, either.

[LUDICROUS]

On the BG website, the two guys fencing at the top on the logo - looks like epee. What kind of style is that exactly?
*has always been taught to hold off arm up with hand flopping loose, doesnt suspect its any different for epee*

[Dee EffEll]

Originally Posted by beeyeelelwhy

I was wondering what SG stands for and also if it a sister company of Blue Gauntlet or something.

Anyone know the scuttlebutt on why Amanda isn't with BG anymore? BG still has great prices, but Amanda was *great* to deal with. She could just look at you and tell what size of anything you wanted would fit you. And whether they had it in stock and what the price was. Sure do miss her.

[telkanuru]

Erm, it's now cheaper to buy BF whites from LP then from BG. The world is on its head...

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Dee EffEll

Anyone know the scuttlebutt on why Amanda isn't with BG anymore? BG still has great prices, but Amanda was *great* to deal with. She could just look at you and tell what size of anything you wanted would fit you. And whether they had it in stock and what the price was. Sure do miss her.

word on the street is that she left to start her own company.

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

On the BG website, the two guys fencing at the top on the logo - looks like epee. What kind of style is that exactly?
*has always been taught to hold off arm up with hand flopping loose, doesnt suspect its any different for epee*

Initially most fencers are taught to fence with their off arm either up, like you described, or placed on their hip. This helps them learning to keep their off arm out of reach.

However, you'll find that most fencers who've passed the beginners stage will "loosen" up and fence more relaxed. (Note that I used the word "most" and not "all", as I'm sure someone will tell you otherwise just for the sake of argument.)

Most experienced fencers just lets their off arm "hang loose" and use it for adjusting balance when moving (eg. extending it in a lunge or the similar). As far as I know none of these styles are called anything in particular? (Well maybe in the US it is, I wouldn't know...)

[LUDICROUS]

Ah. Thank you.

[MikeHarm]

The SG stuff I've bought at least last year seemed to be a lot lower quality than the BG stuff.

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

Ah. Thank you.

We aim to please!

[rsy]

Originally Posted by noodle

word on the street is that she left to start her own company.

The word is right. Absolute Fencing is the name of her new business. It is open and although her online ordering isn't up yet, you can try calling in an order, (732) 868-9003 or Fax (732) 868-9133.

-r

[shango]

I've noticed that the same clothing is cheaper by a few bucks on SG than BG, while the blades are a few dollars more on SG than BG. Anyone know why? I'm talking about literally the same article of clothing.

[JEC]

I think customer service might take a dip. Last time that we took a vendor poll resulted in two vendors have a great lead over the rest: BG and Fencing Post. Losing Amanda might have a transitory (or lasting) effect. BG has had good equipment at very good prices. For the time being, if you have a critical order, I would consider alternative vendor.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

On the BG website, the two guys fencing at the top on the logo - looks like epee. What kind of style is that exactly?
*has always been taught to hold off arm up with hand flopping loose, doesnt suspect its any different for epee*

If you intend to lunge, your arm should be where you have been taught. Very advanced fencers sometimes learn to lunge with their arms down, but having your arm dow doesn't grant you anything tactically. In épée and sabre, lunging isn't really as important, so oftentimes fencers don't lose out by hanging their arm.

Important to note that with the elimination of the fleche, lunges are used alot more often in sabre, although recovery isn't quite as important as it is in foil, so the hanging arm is again not quite as important.
Also, in sabre, the non-weapon hand could easily be cut open with a little bad luck. (Like really cut open.) For that reason, many sabrists keep their hands behind their bakcs or on their hips, where the weight still contributes to the en guarde balance, but their arm is out of danger, so the fencer doesn't have to think about it while he's fencing.

[Zilverzmurfen]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

In épée and sabre, lunging isn't really as important

What ARE you on about?!

Not to be rude or anything but I sense that you've missed an important part in épée-fencing. (I won't say anything about the sabre part as I have only fenced sabre once in my life.)
Then again, you're a foilist so I'll let you get away with it...

Important to note that with the elimination of the fleche

Again, you are talking foil (?) and LUDICROUS and I are talking épée. (I, being an épéeist, already anwsered him a few postings up.)

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

If you intend to lunge, your arm should be where you have been taught. Very advanced fencers sometimes learn to lunge with their arms down, but having your arm dow doesn't grant you anything tactically. In épée and sabre, lunging isn't really as important, so oftentimes fencers don't lose out by hanging their arm.

Important to note that with the elimination of the fleche, lunges are used alot more often in sabre, although recovery isn't quite as important as it is in foil, so the hanging arm is again not quite as important.
Also, in sabre, the non-weapon hand could easily be cut open with a little bad luck. (Like really cut open.) For that reason, many sabrists keep their hands behind their bakcs or on their hips, where the weight still contributes to the en guarde balance, but their arm is out of danger, so the fencer doesn't have to think about it while he's fencing.

Yeah, just about everything you said in that post is false.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Zilverzmurfen

What ARE you on about?!

Not to be rude or anything but I sense that you've missed an important part in épée-fencing. (I won't say anything about the sabre part as I have only fenced sabre once in my life.)
Then again, you're a foilist so I'll let you get away with it...

In épée, fencers fleche more than they do in foil, and lunge less. It's not NEVER done, but certainly less often.

[telkanuru]

What are you on, and where can I get some?

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

In épée, fencers fleche more than they do in foil, and lunge less. It's not NEVER done, but certainly less often.

If epee fencers do fleche more (which I'm not convinced is true, I'd need some data to back it up), I'd say the difference is quite small, and a good epee fencer's lunges will still FAR exceed the number of fleches.

[mrbiggs]

Oh. Okay.

Well, never mind then.