Allstar fencing bags

[LUDICROUS]

Next month I will be buying a jacket/breeches/probably lame. I know what i'll be buying, but the issue is transport.

I already have various large tennis bags, but the one that can carry foils inside only has one pocket. The other bag is suitable for carrying fencing gear in separated compartments. This fencing bag will not carry a foil totally inside, and I dont want my foils sticking 10 inches out of the bag, prone to damage.

What I want to know is this: Is the allstar fencing sack "Junior" full length?
I cant find specs on allstar.de.

Note: said fencing "sack" will be used to carry foils and body wires.

[CvilleFencer]

If it is a fencing bag it is full length, no need to worry about that. Any fencing bag will hold your blades nicely. The allstar bags are a bit overpriced for what you get however. YOu should really look at ELI or Blue Guantlet. I think they will both ship to you, and you would pobably still save money. If nothing else you can send me a money order and I will ship it to you (our club gets a discount to boot) that catch would be that you have to introduce me to some other fencers (and buy at least one pint) when I finaly make it to Kiwiville!

http://www.shopeli.com/?goto=clothing/9
and
http://www.blue-gauntlet.com/cgi-bin...=5834066.25241

I used to think there was a huge quality differance in the bags and so forth but from what I have seen some of the bags are even made by the same company! In China! So much for quality German Equipment...

Anyway I really like the grey and red roll bag from ELI and the BG 2 compartment team bag at the bottom of their page. Those are the two that I generally recomend to my students/clubmates once they outgrow the starter bags we sell in the club (only one giant pocket but cheap). Best of luck and let me know if you need help shipping it.

[LUDICROUS]

thanks for the detailed reply!

Heh, come down in 2 years and il be able to buy you a pint (im 16, sadly), and you can meet my fellow club members or something..

I will look into those bags, thanks.

Edit: The allstar roll bag "duo light" looks pretty good, but its 70 euros Hmm, I think I might be looking into multi compartment tennis bags if I dont go for those bags you mentioned Cville.

[LUDICROUS]

Heck, bugger allstar, that team bag is looking gooood (the BG one)!

Thank you ! :

[Dee EffEll]

For "everyday" use, I have taken to using two bags. I have a basic BG bag that I use for weapons and body cords. Everything else goes into a Wilson duffel I got at a sports equipment store for $15. The BG bags are inexpensive, but only have one large compartment. By using two bags, I keep all the electric stuff away from the wet uniform stuff, I and I have noticed a BIG difference in reliability of my electric stuff. Much less corrosion, even though I would always take my stuff out of the bag at night after fencing. When I travel, I use a plastic golf bag for everything: $45.

[CvilleFencer]

Just FYI the new pattern BG team bag has 2 good sized compartments, one for mask and kit, the other for weapons and cords plus the other pockets for odds and ends. As was mentioned above once you get serious about training and start fencing electric you want a bag that has more than one compartment!

[whtouche]

How does this BG team bag with 2 big pockets and optional roller compare to the ELI bag?
The ELI one looks bigger, but that could just be the pictures. How sturdy is the roller-car for the BG, vs having integrated wheels? And are any of the side pockets on either back detachable?
Im looking for a bag with at least 2 pockets, that I would be able to carry all my fencing stuff and clothes for a weekend so I would'nt have to lug around a suitcase also - do either of these bags qualify as a possibility?

[Nusy]

Well, I don't wanto to disturb those who are very keen on Allstar, but I think PBT is the best... If you don't mind carrying the bags, PBT offers cheap things (like the weapon sheath and the guitar bag), or their smallest rollbag is quite economic and very useful. Oh, and you should have a look at their Hungarian site (also in English).

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by Nusy

Well, I don't wanto to disturb those who are very keen on Allstar, but I think PBT is the best... If you don't mind carrying the bags, PBT offers cheap things (like the weapon sheath and the guitar bag), or their smallest rollbag is quite economic and very useful. Oh, and you should have a look at their Hungarian site (also in English).

The problem with PBT is that for those of us in the US, they have an exclusive US dealer (so we cannot order direct from hungary) and this exclusive US dealer likes to add a significant markup to the products, making most pbt gear as or more expensive than equivalent gear.

[Faggot the Hutt]

Originally Posted by prototoast

The problem with PBT is that for those of us in the US, they have an exclusive US dealer (so we cannot order direct from hungary) and this exclusive US dealer likes to add a significant markup to the products, making most pbt gear as or more expensive than equivalent gear.

First of all, you would need to know how much PBT America pays for orders from Hungary to make that kind of accusation. Since you're clearly not one of Gilbert's or Peter's staff, you would not know the costs, hence your statement is unfounded.

Secondly, the prices for PBT items in Hungary, an FIE mask for instance, do not differ significantly from American prices when you add shipping costs. An FIE mask is 27,260 forints, or 150.38 dollars (currently.) In the US the same mask is $175. When you add the fuel surcharges applied by shippers, anywhere from 11 to 16 dollars, that leaves 13 to 9 dollars for international shipping. International shipping from Hungary to the American store in North Carolina is far more than 14 to 9 dollars, even if you're dealing with bulk. Therefore, your statement is not only unfounded, it is patently false.

Gilbert and Peter run an excellent business, and don't need people like you going around making false statements that amount to slander.

[prototoast]

Originally Posted by ****** the Hutt

First of all, you would need to know how much PBT America pays for orders from Hungary to make that kind of accusation. Since you're clearly not one of Gilbert's or Peter's staff, you would not know the costs, hence your statement is unfounded.

Secondly, the prices for PBT items in Hungary, an FIE mask for instance, do not differ significantly from American prices when you add shipping costs. An FIE mask is 27,260 forints, or 150.38 dollars (currently.) In the US the same mask is $175. When you add the fuel surcharges applied by shippers, anywhere from 11 to 16 dollars, that leaves 13 to 9 dollars for international shipping. International shipping from Hungary to the American store in North Carolina is far more than 14 to 9 dollars, even if you're dealing with bulk. Therefore, your statement is not only unfounded, it is patently false.

Gilbert and Peter run an excellent business, and don't need people like you going around making false statements that amount to slander.

Okay, allow me to clarify. First, there prices were this high before the dollar took a dive so back when the dollar was worth something, things were significantly cheaper in Europe. Second, I'm not faulting the American PBT dealer. I don't think anyone's getting rich being a fencing vendor, and I do believe that they charge what they need to charge. Still, their american prices are about the same as Uhlmann/Allstar prices, while it seems to be that in Europe, Uhlmann/Allstar stuff costs more.

[Faggot the Hutt]

Originally Posted by prototoast

Okay, allow me to clarify. First, there prices were this high before the dollar took a dive so back when the dollar was worth something, things were significantly cheaper in Europe.

If that's your logic, then PBT America is actually doing us all a favor by keeping their prices the same. If the value of the dollar falls versus the forint, then prices for equipment purchased in the states should be rising. Instead, they have remained steady. You really have no cause to complain.

In 2000 (when PBT America opened,) I'd have agreed with you. The dollar was worth 282.4 florints then, making the cost for an FIE mask almost double what it cost in Hungary.

[jjrenaud]

Originally Posted by LUDICROUS

Next month I will be buying a jacket/breeches/probably lame. I know what i'll be buying, but the issue is transport.

I already have various large tennis bags, but the one that can carry foils inside only has one pocket. The other bag is suitable for carrying fencing gear in separated compartments. This fencing bag will not carry a foil totally inside, and I dont want my foils sticking 10 inches out of the bag, prone to damage.

What I want to know is this: Is the allstar fencing sack "Junior" full length?
I cant find specs on allstar.de.

Note: said fencing "sack" will be used to carry foils and body wires.

you could take some allstar fencing bag they're good, you've also the iatlian companies who made some very good stuuf too, but if there's a bag in the world who's bad, it's the prieur model(all of them actually) if you're lucky to find one who have a correct color (not purple with green, or red-yellow) you'll be very disappointed with the qualiy who's very poor.
i don't know about the model from BG and other americans fencing dealer,.

[Stylothek]

Hey, I didn't want to open a new thread for this, after all it's about an allstar fencing bag.
I called my local fencing shop and wanted to order an allstar duo rollbag which costs 145€, they told me they still had the duo light in stock which costs 90€ and he'd give me 10% off, so 81€. Is the duo light a good bag?
thanks in advance,
til

[jjrenaud]

yes it's a good bag, but you'll not put as much as in the duo rollbag, and most important(at least for me) the duo light isn't as strong as the other one.
the best bag i've got from allstar was the penthatlon (funfkamp) bag, i don't if they still do it, it was very very good

hope this will help you, even a little bit