My new favorite T-Shirt

[davtsung]

Replaces the 'I with Stupid' shirt


http://www.cafepress.com/politics/br...?zoom=yes#zoom

[DJ Apostrophe]

Outstanding!

Thank you for that...

[oso97]

I love it! I'm tempted to get one and wear it next time I fly...

[KShan5[PrFC]]

Not really that fond of it. And wear it when you fly, if you like sitting with airport security for 8 hours and delaying your trip, have fune. The only time I think i'd use one is in a bon fire though.

[oso97]

Typcial redneck (they aren't confined to below the Mason-Dixon line) ... no taste for irony or satire, married to a overwhelming desire to hurt anyone who expresses an different point of view.

[Portela]

Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC]

Not really that fond of it. And wear it when you fly, if you like sitting with airport security for 8 hours and delaying your trip, have fune. The only time I think i'd use one is in a bon fire though.

lighten up dude...its a freakin t-shirt. as much of a republican you are; admit it, its funny

[KShan5[PrFC]]

I'm a. not your typical Republican, nor am I a red-neck. b. I just don't think it's funny.

[davtsung]

It's 'funny' because it's true.

[cornflower]

It's not funny 'cause... I really don't get the point. Ooooh wait, is the shirt trying to say that the "campaign" to fight terrorism is ineffective and outdated? Somebody enlighten me.

[cornflower]

Do you guys want to see funny? THIS is funny.

Allen the Hungry Alligator

[Army Fencer]

Originally Posted by cornflower

Somebody enlighten me.

It's saying that the Indian's attempt to keep Europeans out (an "anti-terrorist" campaign) 500 years ago was ineffective, and today's anti-terrorism campaign will do little better.

[Spike327]

Actually Cornflower's picture is funnier than any of this. If someone made a t-shirt of a frame just after the impact of the ball (or perhaps a series?) I would buy 10 of them.

[Inquartata]

Are the Apaches intended to be the Homeland Defenders, or the terrorists? Given some of their historical tactics it could very easily go either way...

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Army Fencer

It's saying that the Indian's attempt to keep Europeans out (an "anti-terrorist" campaign) 500 years ago was ineffective, and today's anti-terrorism campaign will do little better.

Oh.

a). That went way over my head.

b). I still don't think it's funny.

[cornflower]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

Oh.

a). That went way over my head.

b). I still don't think it's funny.

Way over mine, too. And I still don't think it's funny, either.

[HillBilly]

it's just comparing todays Dept. of Nat. Security to the Indians Dept. of Nat. Security

[KShan5[PrFC]]

Originally Posted by HillBilly

it's just comparing todays Dept. of Nat. Security to the Indians Dept. of Nat. Security

What Indian Department of National Security are you referring to?

[oso97]

I think it operates on a number of levels. There is the obvious, and already quoted reference to the ineffectiveness of the Native Americans to keep out European invaders.

Next there is implication that the Department of Homeland Security, with its multiheaded beaurocracy will be just as effective.

Then there is the deeper level that calls to mind many of the excesses of the European immigrants and their decendants as they colonized North and South America when dealing with the native populations.

One could also point out additional similarities, for example, the Native Americans were defending their way of life against a foe that consistantly referred to them as "savages" and considered them essentially subhuman. The Dept. of Homeland Security is tasked with defense against a foe that utlizes similar rhetoric (infidels, the Great Satan, etc).

Then there is the realization that history is written by the victors. One societies terrorist is another's freedom fighter is another's founding father. Theoretically, we're the most advanced society in the world. We should be capable of realizing this.

And finally, it attempts to point out that some (not neccessarily ALL) of the tactics the Dept. of Homeland Security takes are overzealous and pursued with such vigor, that they risk being seen through "civilized" eyes, with the kind of revulsion that many of the tactics the Native Americans utilized in their unsuccessful defense of their homeland.

None of this is either appologist for the tactics and worldview of Jihadist terrorists, or bemoaning the "pure and unsullied state" of Native Americans pre-1492 - which the conservative camp loves to paint moderate liberals as doing. However, the artist is trying to make the point, expressed by MANY MANY OTHERS that there are applicable lessons for how we should and should not conduct the campaign and defense against Jihadist terrorism from many of the conflicts our society has engaged in previously.

Sadly though, never overestimate the ability of humankind to learn from its mistakes.

I like the shirt, but not because its funny. In fact I don't see it as much as funny as sobering. But I do think it raises the points above, and others, in a consise and effective manner, at least among people with the capacity for complex, mutilayered thought processes, hopefully provoking discourse and reflection.

[LordTofuDog-jnr]

Originally Posted by oso97

I think it operates on a number of levels. There is the obvious, and already quoted reference to the ineffectiveness of the Native Americans to keep out European invaders.

Next there is implication that the Department of Homeland Security, with its multiheaded beaurocracy will be just as effective.

Then there is the deeper level that calls to mind many of the excesses of the European immigrants and their decendants as they colonized North and South America when dealing with the native populations.

One could also point out additional similarities, for example, the Native Americans were defending their way of life against a foe that consistantly referred to them as "savages" and considered them essentially subhuman. The Dept. of Homeland Security is tasked with defense against a foe that utlizes similar rhetoric (infidels, the Great Satan, etc).

Then there is the realization that history is written by the victors. One societies terrorist is another's freedom fighter is another's founding father. Theoretically, we're the most advanced society in the world. We should be capable of realizing this.

And finally, it attempts to point out that some (not neccessarily ALL) of the tactics the Dept. of Homeland Security takes are overzealous and pursued with such vigor, that they risk being seen through "civilized" eyes, with the kind of revulsion that many of the tactics the Native Americans utilized in their unsuccessful defense of their homeland.

None of this is either appologist for the tactics and worldview of Jihadist terrorists, or bemoaning the "pure and unsullied state" of Native Americans pre-1492 - which the conservative camp loves to paint moderate liberals as doing. However, the artist is trying to make the point, expressed by MANY MANY OTHERS that there are applicable lessons for how we should and should not conduct the campaign and defense against Jihadist terrorism from many of the conflicts our society has engaged in previously.

Sadly though, never overestimate the ability of humankind to learn from its mistakes.

I like the shirt, but not because its funny. In fact I don't see it as much as funny as sobering. But I do think it raises the points above, and others, in a consise and effective manner, at least among people with the capacity for complex, mutilayered thought processes, hopefully provoking discourse and reflection.

Relax amigo..

Originally Posted by KShan5[PrFC]

What Indian Department of National Security are you referring to?

Crazy Horse

[davtsung]

Originally Posted by LordTofuDog-jnr

Crazy Horse

That's wrong dude BTW like the new avatar.