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    Refs and cards in Richmond

    Another Richmond irregularity in reffing was yellow cards being handed out for corps-a-corps in epee.

    In my second pool, at least three were handed out depsite the repeated "it isn't a yellow in epee" protests. After a complaint was made to the bout committee they sent Mr. Cotton to correct him, but he tried to say that he was giving them because the corps-a-corps was used to avoid a touch being scored. I didn't see one of the three, but the other two that was clearly not the case. None of the cards diretly affected the outcome, though you are less likely to fleche when you are down 4-3 with a yellow against you from your last fleche.

    Same ref was also brutal about "dragging the tip" on the strip. He gave a yellow for a wild-ish parry against a foot attack that made a noticeable scraping on the new hard-metal strips. Perhaps this is something that will be more common with these strips since the noise is much louder. And what else can you do against a foot attack other than retreat or parry?

    Otherwise I thought it was an excellent tourney. Everything was smooth and quick, though I second the calls for the strip assignments to be posted on both ends of the hall. It was a long walk from where most people had their bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by counterattack
    And what else can you do against a foot attack other than retreat or parry?
    Oh come on, counterattack, Im sure you could think of at least one more option
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    Quote Originally Posted by counterattack
    And what else can you do against a foot attack other than retreat or parry?
    dude, how can you retreat from a foot attack?? it would probably have arrived by the time you start to move your front foot. best option is to counter attack to mask/upper arm/shoulder. besides, why am i telling you this; you should know. you're the one in div I anyway, not me.

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    How to retreat from a foot attack? By bouncing, of course!

    Eric, I think dekko may have been making a veiled reference to the Rodney King and similar videos, all of the freeway chases, and so on. Of course, those are mostly from L.A., and even at that they just seem to get more publicity when they're from there, similar things happen all over the country...probably even in Charlotte...

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    I understood the reference (hence my reference to LA traffic helicopters), but I don't understand the connection to my post about Charikov or Lee. I just post that information. There was nothing CA about those two incidents.
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    I think that from your recounting of the filming of Charikov's injury he made the leap to believing you were not disapproving of the practice. Which, as disapproval seems to be the prevailing view, is, obviously, reprehensible of you. Do try to make your adherence to the party line more clear!

    BTW, I don't see what's so terrible about showing the things that happen in fencing bouts. If it's not in poor taste to tape ( and show ) trash-talking, pantomimed "machine-gunnings" of opponents, and the tantrums and gloatings of participants, I can't see that documenting such injuries as occur is any worse...

    And I'm not from California, either.

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    I thought the Richmond people did an excellent job. However, I wish the host hotel had been the Radisson across the street (according to some people, it had been booked weeks before -- but there were openings when people got there). Also, the shuttle buses should have run more frequently....

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    There was a Radisson across the street? I thought it was a Marriott. The Omni looked good, and was located near all the restaurants. The Crowne Plaza was located in probably the worst of all possible hotel locations: hard to get to by the bus (because of all the convoluted one-way directions) and was not within an easy walk to any of the restaurants or happening spots nearby.
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    I would agree that the hotel could have worked out much better but the hotel across the street was booked with a huge Amway convention like a year in advance, and I for one would not have liked to wade through Amway salesman on the way to and from the venue. As to hotels in general keep in mind that the LOC and host clubs have nothing to do with that, and for that matter the USFA does not really since they contract out the finding of hotel rooms with another company that in theory specializes in such things and can find better deals and arrange transport than the USFA could. Of course I have been able to find cheaper hotels as close or closer to the venue at every event I have checked on so I tend to have a pretty low opinion of the current service the USFA chose to use...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CvilleFencer
    Of course I have been able to find cheaper hotels as close or closer to the venue at every event I have checked on so I tend to have a pretty low opinion of the current service the USFA chose to use...
    But have you found 300 hotel rooms at that closer/cheaper location?

    Personally I also have a low opinion of THS, but I think the USFA is better off now with them than before without them.

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    I don't think that THS offers the best deal. I've contacted their 'official' hotels directly and have gotten rooms that include breakfast for less $$ than THS charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peach
    Any comments about Richmond?
    This was a very well planned, very well run NAC. Thank you to the USFA, thank you to the LOC. Lots of chairs, seemingly enough room, great floor. Temperature controls that worked, fencer friendly food. Events that ran reasonably on time. Great armorers! (THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!) And can you believe the speed that the results are going up on the web page? Points lists within a day? Wow! Look at all the new strips, many boxes with competition timers in them. Directors available, fast registration check in.

    NICE JOB, EVERYONE. If this is what we get for paying more entry in fees, I'm all for it.

    And ya know, winning my first national medal and earning an A04 for the first time didn't hurt my opinion of Richmond.

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    Congratulations!!! I tried to give you a harder time in poules, but you saw what happened to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JEC
    Congratulations!!! I tried to give you a harder time in poules, but you saw what happened to me.
    Thank you. Hope you're healing OK, looking forward to fencing with you again. Maybe Denver?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee EffEll
    And ya know, winning my first national medal and earning an A04 for the first time didn't hurt my opinion of Richmond.
    Yes, but it does hurt your moniker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dee EffEll
    Thank you. Hope you're healing OK, looking forward to fencing with you again. Maybe Denver?
    MRI showed only inflammation but no evidence of lateral meniscus tear, which is what I was afraid of. Despite my condition, I lost my DE to #19 after a couple of doubles from 9-9.
    Epee is the Sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Fencer
    Yes, but it does hurt your moniker.
    Ah, but my Div 1 performance was another thing.

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