New Sub-forum?

[HillBilly]

It has recently come to my attention that several Board elders have become annoyed by the seeming "immaturity" of the board of late. I have a proposition that may seem inane, or just plain nonsense. Would the majority of the forum like to see a new sub-forum ONLY for blithering nonsense like we have seen of late? If not, please state your case.

Thank you,
Hillbilly

[npkeith]

You didn't give an option for "maybe." It depends on how things are run. Also, what is your definition of "Blithering nonsense?"

[HillBilly]

Also, what is your definition of "Blithering nonsense?"

Well, apparently several elders have complained at our conversations about such things as sex; see Moonitics thread: http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14657

It depends on how things are run

I assume Craig will pick the moderator of this new sub-forum, if the sub-forum indeed comes about.

and I purposely. left the option for maybe a blank; I figure this will make the denizens of Fencing.net choose one option or the other, instead of "when in doubt, hit maybe."

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

Well, apparently several elders have complained at our conversations about such things as sex; see Moonitics thread: http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14657



I assume Craig will pick the moderator of this new sub-forum, if the sub-forum indeed comes about.

and I purposely. left the option for maybe a blank; I figure this will make the denizens of Fencing.net choose one option or the other, instead of "when in doubt, hit maybe."

hey, if its a forum for blithering nonsense, we need someone to keep dull, sensible topics out, therefore, the new moderator needs to be IMMATURE!

[HillBilly]

hey, if its a forum for blithering nonsense, we need someone to keep dull, sensible topics out, therefore, the new moderator needs to be IMMATURE!

Perhaps, however, I presume we will need someone to moderate who abides to the rules of the Forum in general. If we have an immature forum moderator, I highly doubt Craig will let the forum get off the ground.

[HillBilly]

An example of those putting up a protest:

It is unfortunate, that the types of threads showing up in the Water Cooler are even being thought up.
It has been discussed between a few of us and I believe the rest of you will agree.
Anything rude, vulgar, disrespectful, or anything that falls along those lines posted in Fantasyland should be immediately deleted or locked.

We've been writing here for years and I'll be hell fire and brimstoned if I'm going to sit back and watch it disappear under disrespectful issues that should not be breached on a family type, respectable forum.

Craig has done a great job of keeping this whole site up and running and keeping its nose as clean as he can and I think it's the least we can do to help out in that effort.

I have some form of respect for every writer here and I should hope the same is passed between each of you, enough so that we wont resort to stupid, frivilous matters.

Some of those who replied:

Now you know why I hardly ever post of the Water Cooler

As one of the moderators of Fantasy Land, I will support what Rosieposie (aka "Iwant2bafencer") has to say. There are plenty of other sites for nasty writing. This isn't one of them.

The thread:
http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14656

I believe this new sub-forum will keep the "nasty writing" into one consilidated place. Craig can even put a "Warning: content not G-rated" on the title if he wants.

[Prometheus]

This is a discussion group for fencing.

There is already a folder for off topic posts.

There is no reason to have an "uncensored" or "age restricted" area on a fencing discussion board. No one is obligated to post messages. Perhaps if what you have to say is “Blithering nonsense” there is no need to share it with everyone.

Creating a folder for topics not mature enough for the off topic area or too vulgar for the off topic area essentially sanctions the actions of people that act that way. If folks want to sit around and post garbage there are plenty of other forums on the internet in which to do so.

As someone else pointed out in another thread, if the content of this site becomes explicit it will start to trip firewalls and cause some of us to loose access from some work and school based networks.

For quite some time, we have not had a problem with the basic TOS rules or the culture of the forum. I don’t think the established standard is too much to ask.

[achilleus]

I vote no. People make up the discussion, not the title of the folder.

The guidelines aren't impossible to follow, and Craig and the mods do a great job of keeping order.

[Moonitic]

This is a discussion group for fencing.

There is already a folder for off topic posts.

There is no reason to have an "uncensored" or "age restricted" area on a fencing discussion board. No one is obligated to post messages. Perhaps if what you have to say is “Blithering nonsense” there is no need to share it with everyone.

Creating a folder for topics not mature enough for the off topic area or too vulgar for the off topic area essentially sanctions the actions of people that act that way. If folks want to sit around and post garbage there are plenty of other forums on the internet in which to do so.

As someone else pointed out in another thread, if the content of this site becomes explicit it will start to trip firewalls and cause some of us to loose access from some work and school based networks.

For quite some time, we have not had a problem with the basic TOS rules or the culture of the forum. I don’t think the established standard is too much to ask.

THANK YOU.

If someone really has a problem with having rules & standards, & abiding by them, perhaps they can create their own board, to talk about whatever they want.

[HillBilly]

I have no problem with the current system. However, I for one will not change from my current voice in the Water Cooler. If you people are prepared to put up with the "nasty writing," that has been going on, then no sweat.

[Sarah]

This seriously is a silly idea. Yes, there are immature people and yes, there are mature people. And yes, mature people get immature and immature people get mature. It is all apart of life. There are things that everyone learns to deal with. I for one have learned that a lot of my views are not shared with my fellow teens, but I don't let it bother me. Unfortunately, there will always be someone who doesn't toe the line, but that's ok. Just as long as they don't get out of hand. This isn't a porn site, which everyone knows, so I think that we have nothing to worry about. People change, and one day the 'blatherers of nonsense' will be complaining of the same thing.

[Soldier]

My concern: Who is to decide what is a good topic, and what is pointless/inane/inappropriate? I'll grant that some things are clearly inappropriate. In that case, why keep them around at all?

As for pointless/immature/inane...what would you be left with without them? A poll about evolution and some poems?

[Gav]

I think it is unnecessary. I hve forwarded Hillibily's request to craig already. It's really up to Craig whether he thinks it's a good idea or no.

Personally, I think that this board is one of the better ones that I frequent and I do not want to see any "FencingSucks" type activity on it.

[noodle]

this would change nothing
my "new posts" link would still be spammed with the same old stuff

a vote of "no" and "grow up a little bit, you don't all have to be gigantic idiots to have fun"

[HillBilly]

this would change nothing
my "new posts" link would still be spammed with the same old stuff

a vote of "no" and "grow up a little bit, you don't all have to be gigantic idiots to have fun"

Ah, but you see, this won't happen.

[Black Jeebus]

Ah, but you see, this won't happen.

I agree which is why I think sectioning off (ie quarintining) certain posts is a decent idea. Maybe if the people posting those "immature" (read often moronic) posts realize that it's only ever the same people responding to it or viewing it, they will realize that most of what they are writing is more fitting for a PM.

I just don't trust in the ability of people to grow up- not when most of the culprits have just begun to move out of the phase of childish innocence into the phase of immaturity that so annoys the rest of the world.

Mostly, and I feel like an *** for saying this, but to me this seems like a measure to isolate the self-titled "Brat Pack", which really doesn't irk me at all.

Being a teen is something that you have to go through, but when you realize that what you are doing specifically annoys a group of people (people who's community you have joined) you should try to curb some of those tendencies.

EDIT: The actions I'm talking about are frequent postings which annoy mass groups of forumites.

[telkanuru]

If you want your own forum/chatroom, discover the wonders of IRC and leave well enough alone.

[mrbiggs]

It has recently come to my attention that several Board elders have become annoyed by the seeming "immaturity" of the board of late. I have a proposition that may seem inane, or just plain nonsense. Would the majority of the forum like to see a new sub-forum ONLY for blithering nonsense like we have seen of late? If not, please state your case.

Thank you,
Hillbilly

We already have one. It's called the "Water Cooler." No one is forcing anyone to read threads, or to respond to them.

[Kismet]

This is where I stand on the issue, after some contemplation. F101 has more than one forum. There is more than one place to talk and act serious (Fencing Discussion and the Armoury). But to me, the Water Cooler is a place to kick back, relax, have fun, and be ourselves. If you don't like some of what is being said, that's fine, and I respect your opinion on that. But nobody is forcing you to read (or even open) a thread that you do not like. That's why there are titles for threads, and if you hold your mouse over it, a box pops up with the first few words. If you don't like those, then don't open it. Easy solution, really. I think if everybody around here respected eachother and respected our different ages and maturity levels, there wouldn't be as much of a problem. Anyway, I am blabbing on here and probably repeating myself, so I will go.

[Westley]

This is where I stand on the issue, after some contemplation. F101 has more than one forum. There is more than one place to talk and act serious (Fencing Discussion and the Armoury). But to me, the Water Cooler is a place to kick back, relax, have fun, and be ourselves. If you don't like some of what is being said, that's fine, and I respect your opinion on that. But nobody is forcing you to read (or even open) a thread that you do not like. That's why there are titles for threads, and if you hold your mouse over it, a box pops up with the first few words. If you don't like those, then don't open it. Easy solution, really. I think if everybody around here respected eachother and respected our different ages and maturity levels, there wouldn't be as much of a problem. Anyway, I am blabbing on here and probably repeating myself, so I will go.

Totally agree. And Telkanru made a decent poll as well. I'd love to see the new forum happen, but I don't think it'd really matter much either way. I voted yes, but really, whatever happens works for me.