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Silenius · 12-08-2004, 04:20 PM

I just got several french foil wires and tips from BG and I've found that the plastic cup doesnt really fit in the barrell. I have been forced to jam the wire in there with the point setter and havent even had much success with that. I have wired many blades before and cant think of why this is happening. anyone have thoughts? Could I use lube or something?

I also am running into a problem where the cup doesnt go down far enough (even after i have forced it in). I think it might be that the threading at the end of the foil goes to far, but I wasnt aware that this was possible. Does anyone know if its ok to simply clip the end off the foil so I can both screw in the barrell all the way and get the tip to go all the way down?

Purple Fencer · 12-08-2004, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Silenius

I just got several french foil wires and tips from BG and I've found that the plastic cup doesnt really fit in the barrell. I have been forced to jam the wire in there with the point setter and havent even had much success with that. I have wired many blades before and cant think of why this is happening. anyone have thoughts? Could I use lube or something?

I also am running into a problem where the cup doesnt go down far enough (even after i have forced it in). I think it might be that the threading at the end of the foil goes to far, but I wasnt aware that this was possible. Does anyone know if its ok to simply clip the end off the foil so I can both screw in the barrell all the way and get the tip to go all the way down?

I wonder if you have a Sport 7 wire and a Prieur barrel...the diameters are slightly different.

As far as the tip threading being too long...I;ve seen it happen. If you want to try to cut the threading shorter, you have to be VERY careful yo don't crush the threads down to the point where you can't get the barrel on (I think I did it once a year or so back, but I've forgotton).

You also have to consider the wire groove...you can't just slap a die on and rethread it...

CvilleFencer · 12-08-2004, 06:22 PM

Just remember that all parts that are "French" pattern are not the same! I have seen a lot of incompatability problems with French parts in the past for both epee and foil. Most likely, as Purple Fencer says you have a barrel that is not Sport 7 and so the wire and barrel are not compatable. If you do not want to upgrade to a sport seven point (the best of the French patterns IMHO) then you will need to get your wires somewhere other than BG. If I recall correctly Fence Smart and Blade do not use the Sport & pattern tips so thier wires should work better in your barrel. Best thing to do is call the vendor and see what type of wires/tips they have before you buy any more.

Silenius · 12-08-2004, 10:51 PM

What is this sport 7 thing? I went to BG and ordered french wires and french points. shouldnt they fit? I was kinda assuming I was somehow doing something wrong.

...Ok, so some of the parts randomly started fitting. Im not sure what is going on here. Is it possible that the temperature matters? I mean, warmer things are bigger....

cowpaste · 12-08-2004, 11:45 PM

A few months ago, I received an order of Sport 7 tip/wires from fencingpost with this problem. If I jammed the cup in, there was a high chance that that would enough to damage the wire in some way and completely ruin that wire job. I also have in my possession a barrel that is too small.

I perfer the French tip design by far solely because of the headcrew issue of the German tips. However, this really reduces my confidence in Sport 7. I'm hoping that they merely had a bad batch go out that will be fixed soon. That is nothing more frustrating than wasting 2 dollars because of a stupid fat cup.

CvilleFencer · 12-09-2004, 01:01 AM

The headscrew problem of the German tips and the quality control problems and short life of the French tips are what led me to the LP GT points. The have awesome durality, are super smooth, have hardened barrels/screws and the screws fit flush. The only real downside is that they are not compatable with German or French tips, but those are not compatable with each other so no big deal. I have been using them for over a year now and I have yet to have a smashed screw or barrel dented to the point that it affects the weapon. I have had to clean them on occasion, and adjust the screws, and on one of the four I had to replace a tip. All in all the most worry free tips i have ever use. I really recommend them as the best tips made so far.

Tiptop · 12-09-2004, 06:50 PM

Ok guys let me explain my point of view as i'm working for Sport 7.
It is correct that our foil wires are a little bit hard to fit in the barrel but in the past people claim about wires broken when fencer turned to settle his point the tip was turning and as the cup was too small he was turning in the barrel and was cut..so we increased the diameter of the white cup in order that when the tip is in the barrel it doesn't move...The point setter is necessary but it should be not a problem.
About problems of compatibility , it is not coming from our factory we sell complete point which are compatible and work together, some vendors mix different systems i guess.

Purple Fencer · 12-09-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiptop

Ok guys let me explain my point of view as i'm working for Sport 7.
It is correct that our foil wires are a little bit hard to fit in the barrel but in the past people claim about wires broken when fencer turned to settle his point the tip was turning and as the cup was too small he was turning in the barrel and was cut..so we increased the diameter of the white cup in order that when the tip is in the barrel it doesn't move...The point setter is necessary but it should be not a problem.
About problems of compatibility , it is not coming from our factory we sell complete point which are compatible and work together, some vendors mix different systems i guess.

Whch is why I only sell Sport 7 french parts...no compatibility probs at my end.

I HAVE found the wire cup a little sticky at times (particularly up at the top of the barrel), but a point setter does the job just fine & dandy...like it's designed for.

cowpaste · 12-10-2004, 01:15 AM

I'm glad to see you on the board.

I wouldn't mind if the cups were a little hard to fit into the barrels. The problem is I need a HAMMER to get them in. I think that is just plain unacceptable. I also end up damaging the cup whenever I have to do this.

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Originally Posted by Tiptop

Ok guys let me explain my point of view as i'm working for Sport 7.
It is correct that our foil wires are a little bit hard to fit in the barrel but in the past people claim about wires broken when fencer turned to settle his point the tip was turning and as the cup was too small he was turning in the barrel and was cut..so we increased the diameter of the white cup in order that when the tip is in the barrel it doesn't move...The point setter is necessary but it should be not a problem.
About problems of compatibility , it is not coming from our factory we sell complete point which are compatible and work together, some vendors mix different systems i guess.

Tiptop · 12-10-2004, 03:52 AM

You should contact your vendor and i will do from my side ..if they mix other brand with mine this give a bad image of reliability and this is not what i want..if your vendor still tell that is an original sport 7's point ..please contact me in private .

elberto · 12-16-2004, 09:34 PM

I always wondered about this...

My club (and the previous ones I have been armourer.. and general dogs body for..) have always had that wonderful combination of tips from years ... german french english .. and those interesting russian chinese and imitation german tips made in france (as well as some interesting old ones...).

THis explains why when getting new parts they aren't always the same and sometimes don't fit... damn... As above one would assume a french tip or a french wire of even a packet of french grub screws would be pretty much (yes I know nothing is exact..) the same as all the other tips one has - so there is no real standard... There is close or sligt variations but not compatibility - that is true compatibility...

As if it is not enough trouble having tips (mainly foil..) from the various companies and keeping a stock of springs and screws for french german and english there is variation between the companies in one country...

I know one should never assume but as a fencer for 19 years I always wondered but .. no one really could be sure... To have this answerwed now after so many years.... One has to laugh....