We are NOT sorry world.

[Rogue]

http://yourewelcomeverybody.com/gallery.php

[noodle]

problems i have with this page:
1) the banner ad hanging around and some of those tshirts
2) half the things are photoshopped images that were available way before this page; there's only like 20 actual images.
3) out of those images, half of them use God or terrorism or osama bin laden as the reason why they voted for bush and that honestly scares me.

[Epee_Pox]

Really? You're actually scared? You sure frighten easy.

Boo!

[noodle]

eek.

why its scary is because:
1) the current administration basically said "screw osama, lets get saddam!" fine, we got saddam, woohoo. why haven't we gone back to find osama? and why'd we go get saddam? the president was briefed that iraq had minimal terrorism threat by the cia. he's not fighting terrorism, protecting against it, or searching for osama. what is he doing?
2) separation of church and state? anyone? its fine, imo, if you vote for someone because they share similar beliefs and that happens via religion, but there were masses of people who cited bush's religion as their choice and they felt that "God wanted him to be president" or somesuch.

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by noodle

2) separation of church and state? anyone? its fine, imo, if you vote for someone because they share similar beliefs and that happens via religion, but there were masses of people who cited bush's religion as their choice and they felt that "God wanted him to be president" or somesuch.

"Masses of people"?
See "Relax Liberals " thread and relax.

[The0ne]

hhhmmm, seems you picked a great site to advocate your case. .. let's see, page 8, about halfway down ( http://yourewelcomeverybody.com/gallery.php?page=8 ). .. I guess you're glad you and the "Gay freaks that wish to marry take note, not here ya queer" guy are on the same side. . . I sure wouldn't be.

[The0ne]

oh wait, another great post!!! http://yourewelcomeverybody.com/gallery.php?page=10 "Dear World, I too, am sorry. I am sorry that you are all such f*cking pussies. Grow some balls. Voted for Bush 2004, NOT F*CKING SORRY."

How eloquent. . . It sure seems that people voted for Bush because they intelligently decided to. . . Oh wait, no it doesn't!!!

[Moonitic]

I'm not sorry I voted for Bush. Has nothing, or very little, to do with my religion. I weighed the options, looked at BOTH candidates honestly & I feel I made an educated decision. You may disagree. I really don't care. If Kerry had won & Bush had lost, I wouldn't be as angry as some people are right now. I'd move on. You know why? Because it's over. Instead of crying about the past, do what you can NOW to shape the future. If you do nothing but complain & toss off hateful remarks about the current president & those who voted for him, you're merely a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. So, which do you want to be?

By the way, the old "we hate Christians" crap is getting pretty old. If you don't like Christianity, don't be one. That's your right. Just remember that others have a right to be Christian if they wish. We aren't any less intelligent than you, & most of us don't think you are any less intelligent than us. I say "most" because we have those who misrepresent the faith. What you may consider "dumb" for us to do, may not really be "dumb" if you sit down & really TALK to us with an open mind.

[The0ne]

I intend to be a massive problem for president Bush. I will be a problem if he tries to invade more countries. I will be a problem if he cuts military pay AGAIN. I will be a problem if he keeps extending the tours of duty of minimally trained national gaurd units in Iraq. Sometimes to shape the future you need to be a major problem!

Who cares if you're christian or not? I dont, what matters to me is that you thought before you voted. It sounds like you did Moonitic, but judging by the posts on this website that Rogue gave us, i don't think most of these people did, christian or otherwise. They're too busy kicking a$$!!!

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Rogue

"Masses of people"?
See "Relax Liberals " thread and relax.

its weird because i'm not really _that_ liberal. fiscally conservative.
and yes, there were masses of people. the states that put up the gay marriage ban drew out a huge crowd that would have never voted in the first place if it weren't for that.
and thats a fact corroborated via exit polls.

theone - yep, thats my point.

moonitic - congrats, i have no qualms with you if you made the intelligent choice that you claim to have. i also don't have christians as you seem to think. my entire family is christian. as for giving up on the past and stop whining, that mentality got us nowhere. i will do what i wish to further my beliefs. i don't think ghandi ever thought to himself that he should just give up and whats in the past is in the past.

i can't type much more because i just gave myself a pretty nasty steam burn on my fingers. hurts like hell.

[telkanuru]

Moonitic, the problem is not with 'Christians' as a broad social category, but specifically the evangelical variety who believes in imposing its social/moral outlook on the world. Examples include but are not limited to gay rights and contraceptive issues.

Also, 'If you don't like christians, don't be one' dosn't work with evangelical thought. I would have absolutely no problem if Paul of Tarsis had fallen off his horse and broken his neck while he was riding about persicuting the early christians, so that section of faith was never incorperated. However, contemportary christianity is closely affiliated with the line of thought that says "Believe in Him or go to Hell (literally)". Do you see how this is objectionable?

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by noodle

its weird because i'm not really _that_ liberal. fiscally conservative.
and yes, there were masses of people. the states that put up the gay marriage ban drew out a huge crowd that would have never voted in the first place if it weren't for that.
and thats a fact corroborated via exit polls.

Oh, the same exit polls that show Kerry winning.
Did you read the "Relax" thread article? It contradicts your premise.

Originally Posted by noodle

i can't type much more because i just gave myself a pretty nasty steam burn on my fingers. hurts like hell.

Sorry about that. I hope it heals quickly.

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by The0ne

hhhmmm, seems you picked a great site to advocate your case. ..

I never made a case regarding this article. I merely posted it for discussion.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Rogue

See "Relax Liberals " thread and relax.

Can someone explain to me how Bush is a true conservative? I mean, sure, on moral issues he's a regular Spanish Inquisition (whose weapons are surprise, fear, and bad grammar), but didn't Clinton balance the budget while Mr. Bush has exploded the deficit? Or did people miss the congress raising the limit on the nat'l debt? I mean, sure, you can argue for the validity of Keynsian (sp?) or reverse-Keynsian economics 'till you're blue in the face, but will any competent economist tell you that raising gov't spending while reducing taxes (to the richest portion of the population) is a brilliant strategy?

I also object to the classification of liberals == wimps. There's a really good West Wing quote about it, but I forget the exact wording. Something along the lines of "What are you smoking you Leave it to Beaver trip back to the '50's?"

[Epee_Pox]

Actually, there isn't much correlation between the gay marriage issue and Bush's win. In fact, the states where the gay marriage resolutions were passed were the states where his gains were the smallest.

I'm sure some people would like to think otherwise, of course. Makes it easier to be dismissive of the results.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Rogue

Oh, the same exit polls that show Kerry winning.
Did you read the "Relax" thread article? It contradicts your premise.

Statistics-

Increase in evangelical christian voters- ~4 million
Bush wins popular vote by- ~4 million

1+1 = 2

[noodle]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Can someone explain to me how Bush is a true conservative? I mean, sure, on moral issues he's a regular Spanish Inquisition (whose weapons are surprise, fear, and bad grammar), but didn't Clinton balance the budget while Mr. Bush has exploded the deficit? Or did people miss the congress raising the limit on the nat'l debt? I mean, sure, you can argue for the validity of Keynsian (sp?) or reverse-Keynsian economics 'till you're blue in the face, but will any competent economist tell you that raising gov't spending while reducing taxes (to the richest portion of the population) is a brilliant strategy?

I also object to the classification of liberals == wimps. There's a really good West Wing quote about it, but I forget the exact wording. Something along the lines of "What are you smoking you Leave it to Beaver trip back to the '50's?"

1) bush is not a fiscal conservative. period. his record plainly shows that. p.s.: they've recently voted to increase the deficit maximum.
2) yes i read the article. but you forget that with those percentage changes, there was a record turnout for voting this year. the actual numbers (not percentages) only drastically changed in the churchgoing crowd.

3) epee pox- show me. i read previously that this premise is untrue.

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i feel this comic is relavent. you figure it out.

edited because html turned off and img turned on. weird.

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Statistics-

Increase in evangelical christian voters- ~4 million
Bush wins popular vote by- ~4 million

1+1 = 2

Surely your not saying statistics is as simple as 1+1=2?

"There are 3 types of lies; lies, damn lies and statistics." Mark Twain (I think)

That has nothing to do with your post but you mentioning statistics reminded me of the quote.

[The0ne]

Judging by your posts and your signature, and the website you just posted, you are a "conservative." This is also supported by all your "quit your whining liberals" threads and posts. Therefore you present this article not just for discussion, but it also represents the people who voted the same way you did, and take the same position on the issues (judging by the fact that they were SUPPOSED to think about what they were voting for, whether they did or not. . .). So yes, they are advocates for your side. And most of them appear to be morons.

[L.O.A.S.]

Originally Posted by The0ne

Who cares if you're christian or not? I dont, what matters to me is that you thought before you voted. It sounds like you did Moonitic, but judging by the posts on this website that Rogue gave us, i don't think most of these people did, christian or otherwise. They're too busy kicking a$$!!!

I agree that much of what is posted is vulgar and over the top. Still, those people (some 60-70 of them), represent a very very very small fraction of the 60+million who voted for President Bush. Not a fair representation of the majority. That being said, I am not sorry either.