Bush is a stud

[Epee_Pox]

The President dives into a fight to rescue one of his secret service agents. Then plays it off like nothing happened. Gotta love it.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americ...ity/index.html

[Rogue]

Like him or not, I doubt the losing candidate would have done the same.

[esskreemr]

You make it sound like he went in swinging 'cause he had his Wingman's back. He interevened on the part of his Security escort. He didn't take out a squad of Chilien rebels lobbing grenades.

If, as the President, pushing your way through a crowd and confronting Chilean authorities to get your bodyguard makes you a stud, we must not be expecting alot from one of the most powerful men in the free world.

[Epee_Pox]

Eskreemer, what story did you read? I don't recall anyone mentioning hand grenades. Loosen up.

[The0ne]

Epee Pox, what post did you read? Esskremer was merely stating that Bush didn't really DO anything. He walked up to a bunch of police who wouldn't dare touch him because he is a VIP at the fucntion they are defending and pulled his own secret service agent through. There is a reason that the white house is downplaying this. It merely reeks of bad comunication, bad planning, and Bush acting without thinking, and possibly pissing off the Chilean police. Go commander of the free world!!!!!!

[mrbiggs]

I respect Bush for trying, but it was a very, very stupid idea. What if one of the Chilean guards hadn't recognized him? And then shot him, tazed him, or even punched him in the face? We'd be stuck with President Dick. Courageous? Yes. Correct thing for the President to do? No.

[The0ne]

courageous?????? no! He didn't even break up a fist fight here people, he pulled his secret service agent through a door. That's not a courageous action. . .

[noodle]

i agree with theone. not because i don't like bush.
not courageous. he knew full well that nobody was going to touch him. its not like he was attending a peace conference in iraq. he didn't maneuver through a crowd full of criminals. he maneuvered through a crowd of diplomats, politicians, police and military.

his life wasn't near on the line, it was nice of him to do. not courageous.

[CutLass]

What the President did was reckless. The President of the United States should be better able to control his testosterone urges and jump into playground battles. He breeched security by moving into that crowd, and potentially provoked the police in a foreign country. That act alone could have put him and the other Americans at great risk.

No war hero he. That was a stupid, childish, bully act that just goes to show what little he understands of protocol and culture.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by CutLass

What the President did was reckless. The President of the United States should be better able to control his testosterone urges and jump into playground battles. He breeched security by moving into that crowd, and potentially provoked the police in a foreign country. That act alone could have put him and the other Americans at great risk.

No war hero he. That was a stupid, childish, bully act that just goes to show what little he understands of protocol and culture.

I agree 100%, I just wanted to sound more moderate.

[Rogue]

Originally Posted by CutLass

What the President did was reckless. The President of the United States should be better able to control his testosterone urges and jump into playground battles. He breeched security by moving into that crowd,

Was his security not already breeched by the detainment of his Secret Service guards?

Originally Posted by CutLass

and potentially provoked the police in a foreign country. That act alone could have put him and the other Americans at great risk.

No war hero he. That was a stupid, childish, bully act that just goes to show what little he understands of protocol and culture.

Had Bush merely acquiesced to someone removing his guard from his side he would have been chided as weak, stupid et al.
I think the Chileans need to brush up on protocol and culture.

Had this occurred in The USA to some other foreign diplomat, could you imagine the scandal.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Rogue

Was his security not already breeched by the detainment of his Secret Service guards?

Originally Posted by Rogue

Had Bush merely acquiesced to someone removing his guard from his side he would have been chided as weak, stupid et al.
I think the Chileans need to brush up on protocol and culture..

Yes, but that doesn't mean that he, having had his protection removed, should place himself directly in a possibly violent situation.

Originally Posted by Rogue

Had Bush merely acquiesced to someone removing his guard from his side he would have been chided as weak, stupid et al.
I think the Chileans need to brush up on protocol and culture..

No, he wouldn't have. Actually, it wouldn't have even made the news. No one cares when a President DOESN'T forcibly remove his bodyguards from foreign policemen. Of course the Chileans need to brush up on protocol and culture. But that doesn't excuse Bush's actions.

[Epee_Pox]

So now the Chileans have canceled a state dinner because they were "insulted" that all 203 guests would have to go through a metal detector.

What the heck is their problem?

[Iwant2bafencer]

Wow, I love how support of an even kind act gets turned into a political war. I think all Epee_Pox was trying to say was 'cool'. I know of a lot of presidents and or candidates who would have gone crying like babies to their cars. Let's just say it was a generous act and leave it at that.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Iwant2bafencer

Wow, I love how support of an even kind act gets turned into a political war. I think all Epee_Pox was trying to say was 'cool'. I know of a lot of presidents and or candidates who would have gone crying like babies to their cars. Let's just say it was a generous act and leave it at that.

Well, a President can't be generous, he's the most powerful person in the world. What he did was irresponsible because, though it was generous, it put him in danger, and he's the President. The bodyguard whose job it is to take a bullet for him (literally) can deal with a foreign policeman without Bush's help.

[CutLass]

Originally Posted by Iwant2bafencer

Wow, I love how support of an even kind act gets turned into a political war. I think all Epee_Pox was trying to say was 'cool'. I know of a lot of presidents and or candidates who would have gone crying like babies to their cars. Let's just say it was a generous act and leave it at that.

Generous? Hardly. He put himself and everyone else in that room in danger.
Do you think people can just go storming into a controversy and yank their way through security forces? Wanna start something with me buddy, pow! You think that's generous?

There was some reason that the Chilean police did not want to allow this SS man in, and that issue needed to be identified and resolved.

There are times for toughness and time for diplomacy. Bush really hasn't either.

And no, PoxyPoo had no kindness in his heart with that post!

[Inquartata]

You know, I really think there is nothing Bush could possibly do that would merit approval in the eyes of certain people. Not one blessed thing.

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

You know, I really think there is nothing Bush could possibly do that would merit approval in the eyes of certain people. Not one blessed thing.

That's true, but that doesn't excuse him when he does do something wrong.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

You know, I really think there is nothing Bush could possibly do that would merit approval in the eyes of certain people. Not one blessed thing.

He could:
1) Not propose any more tax cuts while our government is running a deficit
2) Have at least one dissenting voice in his circle of advisors
3) Listen to the above once every 100 times
4) Try not to break the environment
5) Stop invading countries
6) Kick Karl Rove out of the Republican party
7) Actually leave no child behind instead of just saying he's going to do it
8) Come out for a separation of the religious and legal definions of marriage
9) Increase pay to the military instead of a tax cut/cutting it again
10) Stop trying to force God into the government

Any one of these things would cause me to change my opinion of the man, which is currently at the level of 'disgust'. My real problem, however, is with his intellect. I (unlike some) do not believe our President is an idiot. I think he is actually quite intelligent. The country would be in a good deal worse shape if he wasn't. However, my really large peeve with the man is that he acts dumb to get more votes. When did intellectualism become bad?

[mrbiggs]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

1) Not propose any more tax cuts while our government is running a deficit
2) Have at least one dissenting voice in his circle of advisors
3) Listen to the above once every 100 times
4) Try not to break the environment
5) Stop invading countries
6) Kick Karl Rove out of the Republican party
7) Actually leave no child behind instead of just saying he's going to do it
8) Come out for a separation of the religious and legal definions of marriage
9) Increase pay to the military instead of a tax cut/cutting it again
10) Stop trying to force God into the government

Those ten things are 80% of his platform, not even his personality. Tax cuts+war+environment shmenvironment+no gay marriage = Bush. Yeah, that's about right.