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    Quote Originally Posted by prototoast
    I think, given his location, it appears he possibly could have gone in person to one of the local vendors and tried on a lame to find one that fit him best and he liked... there's something to be said for buying in person!
    Props to this guy, I went to Blade to get the Allstar, everyone says its too expensive, but I managed to knock this guy down to 140 from 155.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Paul
    Most of the reviews from U.K. fencers and coaches has been verbal heres a review taken from the Net

    Reviewer Date Added Review

    Cyranox11
    July 28, 2003 Ratings from Cyranox11
    Overall Rating

    Reviewer's Comments:
    Summary: Great Lame

    Great lame: the best that I have seen or used. Even though it is very light, there is LOTS of conductive fabric and it therefore lasts a long time.
    The metal zip is also durable (it never needed replacing) and the material is very resistant to corrossion: no marks on it after three years.
    It only needed replacing after over three years (training 3-4 times a week excluding competitions).
    I ordered a second one to replace this one.

    Those are just reviews tho, they don't prove anything or demonstrate any particular reason why your lame` would outlast an allstar or uhlmann.
    Adherents to the latter brands would write similar reviews attesting to their lame`s superior durability. That still isnt proof tho.
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    As they say over here "the proof of the pudding is in the eating".
    Things like this are very hard to test because there are so many factors but if you put an allstar lame next to one of ours you can see that ours have more conductive threads and the threads are thinnet. Thinner threads bend easier so are less likley to break and more of them can't be a bad thing. I know that is not proof but it is the best I can offer.
    We actually tried lame from their supplier which costs less per sq ft but after testing stuck with our more expensive supplier. The fact that we could change to their material and save money but don't surely says something? (mind you we would say that wouldn't we!)

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    What tests did you do?
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    Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
    High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
    In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
    As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
    Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
    Stirred for a bird,—the achieve of; the mastery of the thing!

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    We gave them to all our sponsored fencers, fencing friends and family, they all said they didn't last as long, we changed back!

    More of a trial than a "test" but it is the same way we test most of our designs and it is easier and more reprasentative than trying to determine how to do a realistic "test" of something in laboratory conditions.

    It does make it hard to prove to other people why we make the choices that we do but we still end up with what we believe has been realisticaly tested and is the best it can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Paul
    We gave them to all our sponsored fencers, fencing friends and family, they all said they didn't last as long, we changed back!

    More of a trial than a "test" but it is the same way we test most of our designs and it is easier and more reprasentative than trying to determine how to do a realistic "test" of something in laboratory conditions.

    It does make it hard to prove to other people why we make the choices that we do but we still end up with what we believe has been realisticaly tested and is the best it can be.
    Please adopt me into your testing family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex_Paul
    We gave them to all our sponsored fencers, fencing friends and family, they all said they didn't last as long, we changed back!

    More of a trial than a "test" but it is the same way we test most of our designs and it is easier and more reprasentative than trying to determine how to do a realistic "test" of something in laboratory conditions.

    It does make it hard to prove to other people why we make the choices that we do but we still end up with what we believe has been realisticaly tested and is the best it can be.
    Wouldn't it have been nice to have the FIE do this with the boxes? (rhetorical question, I'm just beyotching)

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    I noticed Allstar foil lames have a tab of lame material on the back of the neck on the outside of the jacket... what is this for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookeit View Post
    I noticed Allstar foil lames have a tab of lame material on the back of the neck on the outside of the jacket... what is this for?
    If true, then it's a new feature. Certainly none of the ones I've seen, either online or in person, have it (nor does my 2007 Uhlmann lame). The only reason for it would be if Allstar has decided to go with a mask cable setup for when the bib (or parts of it) becomes valid target in 2009.

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