Corps a corps calls

[peet]

Not exactly. These are first group offenses not involving annulling of a touch scored by the offender:.

Wow. And i thought i was picking nits.

I guess i should have said "pretty much any 1st group offense that one can do and score at the same time"

But some of your scenarios were quite amusing! I think in my next bout, i'm going to try to enter an unjustified appeal after I've scored a touch, and then when i get a yellow card, i'll enter another protest against the ref for annuling my touch.

Which I argued shouldn't have been mine in the first place.

Try and make sense of THAT catch 22!

LOL!

-p

[mifencer]

Tall guy runs into me, but not much contact. I fell to insinuate a severe corps-a-corps. Derek gives me a yellow card for falling.

Maybe he should've said, "yellow card for bad acting." It IS L.A.

[edew]

Well, there's no such item in the penalty chart. Bad acting, that is. And the event was at Stanford U.

[mackillian]

So what do you do with an opponent who, when you launch an attack, would parry and then run smack into you? I tried disengaging, but he'd already be running into me by then.

[esskreemr]

The challenge is for the fencer to devise some way to score a touch while committing one of these offenses!

Extra credit goes to anyone who scores a touch while making a deliberate touch not on the opponent. (An equipment malfunction is not an allowed solution, nor is pulling the floor cord part way out of the box, then intentionally hitting the A prong; the referee would already have annulled the touch as is his prerogative for any touch he knows with certainty could not have been a valid touch.)

I saw this happen. I don't think it was deliberate. In a close bout during seeding. Fencer A attacks and misses (he had been missing flicks quite a bit), Fencer B counterattack and lands, one light. Director calls halt Fencer A turns around and touches the floor. The ref couldn't see the machine until Fencer A moved and missed the floor hit. Touch off target.

[Joe biebel]

I was fencing in a National point event in the late “70’s” in the DE. My opponent and I had a “see-saw” match going to ten touches. While flesching against my opponent I was parried “five” lifting my blade, my arm and balance up. I totally lost the ability to plant my front foot and my opponent stopped cold with the parry, leaning back slightly and his front knee at my groin height. I rammed my testicles into his knee so hard that I probably hurt his knee. I screamed so loud as I crashed to the floor in a fetal position, that fencing stopped in the entire venue and many of the fencers, spectators and officials came rushing over to the strip to see who was dying. The referee was kind enough to assume I wanted an injury timeout (not being able to speak) and started the clock. A couple of doctors, or trainers came to me and tried to pry me out of my fetal position to work on my wound. When the referee explained what had happened they took a "hands-off" approach and gave me verbal advice for the remaining time.

As I regained my feet (shakily) at the end of my timeout, the referee appropriately warned me (no cards at the time) for corps-s-corps.

[suregrip]

I'm rather short and squat for an epee fencer (most people tell me I'd be well suited to sabre), but once during open bouting, I found myself across from a young fellow well known for fleche-ing his opponents. I just happened to have my left foot well planted (the idea I had in mind was to take a parry) when I was hit...literally by this fellow, who decided that a full run down the strip would be a good idea.

I must have been "seated" just right, because the next thing I saw was him bouncing off of me, hitting the wall next to the strip we were fencing on, bounding off of THAT, and landing on the floor in a heap.

The young man doesn't attack much like that anymore.

[Spike327]

I once saw Derek Cotton kick a beagle puppy in the face. Hard.

I'm just saying.

[ls14evar]

I rammed my testicles into his knee so hard that I probably hurt his knee. I screamed so loud as I crashed to the floor in a fetal position, that fencing stopped in the entire venue and many of the fencers, spectators and officials came rushing over to the strip to see who was dying.

That convince you to wear a cup?

[Joe biebel]

Actually, my cup was (and still is) one of the foam variety that protects only up to a certain amount. Not really capable of dissuading a nuclear knee to the gonads.

[Purple Fencer]

And in my case, it occurred in 1994, before he got any good as a referee. He was just sharpening up his skills as a referee at that time.

I know he's a much better referee now (and equally fair in dispensing penalties when they occur).

First thing Derek taught me...apply the rules and don't care about who wins.

Happened this weekend at a high school event in Victorville. I got asked to direct a men's foil DE. normally I don't direct when I'm vendoring, but they were in a bind and business had slowed for a little bit.

New guy (1st year) fencing an experienced guy from Chaminade HS. New guy is fast and is VERY good at attacking into preparation or counter-attacking and getting away unscathed....lots of single light shots.

Chaminade guy tries to infight, but turns 18u0 degrees around and shows the back of his head to the newbie...yellow card for turning. Later on it's 14-12 for the new guy. New guy attacks, Chaminade tries to inquartata and misses...they do NOT pass shoulders and Chaminade again turns completely around...red card, end of bout (crappy way to lose).

When Father Calhoun finds out I carded one of his guys for turning (he was working the bout table at the time, not coaching) he got severely ticked off (those who have seen Father mad know what I mean!), saying that no one ELSE was carding for turning (they don't do weight checks at the high school events either, although they DO perform the safety checks on the mask).

My reply..."Father, that's the call." and walked off.

When I related the story to USC's Laura Johnson at the UCLA collegiate tourney the following day, she said it took a brave person to stand up to Father...I just remembered what Derek said.

OK....so it wasn't a corps a corps story...

[MyraTrue]

ok, this is WAAAAY after the posting, but:

Derek is exactly right, although he should've pointed out that it's possible for both people to earn cards at the same time for corps-a-corps.

actually, Derek did tell us both fencers could earn cards. In that same bout I mentioned (one flecher, one person spinning out into him) the spinning out fencer loudly asks the director why our fleching fencer doesn't get a card. The director looks at him and says, "If I give him one, I give you one too," which shut him right up.

[Purple Fencer]

Uhhhhh....yep....that'd do it!!

[Lemonaide]

Only in Foil did I ever have a problem with Corps a Corps, but I was never called on it. It was my failure to retreat properly, but that was lack of experience. The important thing was not to hurt your opponent, but no fear, as a lighter weight female; I got jostled by men weighing at least 180 pounds. The answer was just step to the side when you see them running at you.

In epee I never had a call which is one of the reasons I stayed with it, I never did a bell to bell thing with the epee, but I could parry the tip of the opponents epee with the bell fast and continue on with fencing. I think epee is different in that sence, very little corps a corps with it for me.

It's like driving, you have your road ragers, and you have your yield to the righters. Epee is probably more like motorcycle driving on a dirt road somewhere.

[downunder]

Only in Foil did I ever have a problem with Corps a Corps, but I was never called on it. It was my failure to retreat properly, but that was lack of experience. The important thing was not to hurt your opponent, but no fear, as a lighter weight female; I got jostled by men weighing at least 180 pounds. The answer was just step to the side when you see them running at you.

In epee I never had a call which is one of the reasons I stayed with it, I never did a bell to bell thing with the epee, but I could parry the tip of the opponents epee with the bell fast and continue on with fencing. I think epee is different in that sence, very little corps a corps with it for me.

It's like driving, you have your road ragers, and you have your yield to the righters. Epee is probably more like motorcycle driving on a dirt road somewhere.

how the hell do you bring back a thread from nearly 3 years ago?

make a new one maybe?

[Lemonaide]

why ask why

[fencerbill]

how the hell do you bring back a thread from nearly 3 years ago?

make a new one maybe?

You know the way they reference a couple of similar threads at the bottom of the thread page?

This was one of the ones referenced on the "Bell Contact, Corps-a-Corps" thread.

[downunder]

You know the way they reference a couple of similar threads at the bottom of the thread page?

This was one of the ones referenced on the "Bell Contact, Corps-a-Corps" thread.

Ah that explains it. I was picturing someone actively searching through old threads for something to reply to.

[chefencer]

Bill's giving away Snicket's secrets...