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I don't want regional assemblies, I want to replace the UK parliament for all matters other than foreign policy and defence with a separate parliament for each home nation ... the "regions" are completely artificial. It was the northeast that rejected the proposal despite being hand-picked as the region most likely to think it a good idea. The regional assemblies would just be an additional layer of beauraucracy linked to the EU, a real devolved English parliament would replace the UK parliament. You can have one in Scotland as well.
Taxation except to the extent it relates to defence and foreign policy would also be levied and spent by each home nation.
You and I are very much in agreement.
Although I am in favour of the EU.
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 Originally Posted by Gav That was John Major ... He hasn't been PM for 10 years. Oops. Sorry. Still, I chuckle at the irony of it. (don't berate me for the misuse of the term 'irony' please, I'm lazy today)
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Originally Posted by Sarah Hehehe.. I'm enthusiastic about any independence. In fact, I would love for one of the states to secede from the United States, just to prove that America is in fact only made up of states, and not a whole country. (hence its name being the United States of America) I would greatly love for that to happen, but it's more likely to be Massachusetts as there's a movement starting there. I kind of have this thing about there being as little goverment as possible... the only problem with that is for it to happen there is likely to be many deaths and I don't want preventable deaths to happen. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life.
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Originally Posted by apoetic That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Which bit? Or the whole of it? It's interesting that you find it so stupid. I think that seceding would be a good idea, especially under today's circumstances with all of the freedom-oppressing laws that are being instated into our rule books. Please give me a reason for it being the 'stupidest thing that you have ever heard'. (Though, I do find that hard to believe.) Proditio plerumque amatur, proditor odio habetur.
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Sarah honey,
Don't feed the troll!
 Louweasel
"I grew up in Europe, where the history comes from" [Eddie Izzard]
"she might not look like much, kid, but she's got it where it counts"
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Originally Posted by Gav That was John Major ... He hasn't been PM for 10 years. True, although I always thought he was somewhat under-rated.
An impossible parliamentary position, and a lot of snobbery too.
How do you think he compares with Blair, Gav?
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How does the "grey man" of the Tories comapre with Blair. Where Major was innefectual as a leader and further hamstrung by his own parties infighting; Blair is presidential - with far too much apparent control of his cabinet. Major was a minor blip on the UK political scene.
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Originally Posted by Gav How does the "grey man" of the Tories comapre with Blair. Where Major was innefectual as a leader and further hamstrung by his own parties infighting; Blair is presidential - with far too much apparent control of his cabinet. Major was a minor blip on the UK political scene. Or you could see Major, post the ERM débacle, as presiding over a crucial phase in the economic development of the UK, which created the conditions allowing the UK economy better to withstand the recessionary impulses of the late 1990s and provide enduring prosperity for the country.
After all Blair's government stuck to the spending plans of the previous conservative administration for at least two years.
Note I said "could".
I think as prime minister for some 6 or 7 years, Major was slightly more than a "minor blip." That said he did have some really naff policies (cones hotline anyone?) I caught this morning morning’s minion, king-
dom of daylight’s dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird,—the achieve of; the mastery of the thing!
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I meant 'blip' in the sense that he is not likely to be remember as a great leader - party or UK. He was Conservative [note the capital C]. Remeber how Spitting Image treated him? There was a lot of truth in that mockery.
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... and all the while he was shagging Edwina Curry.
Citizens charter, warm beer and cricket on the village green, I could go on.
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Oh yeah - who'd have thought. The word hypocrite springs to mind...
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Also giving rise to the question, "which of the two of them had poorer taste in selecting someone to sleep with?".
I did enjoy the "Major is boring jokes" then, like "100 uses for John Major" (eg: as a "sleeping policeman" aka speed bump). "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different."
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I don't know:
Cherie Blair ... shudder [that mouth - scary]. Although she does like to shower with her best friend (who is a looker!).
Edwina Currie ... there is something ... kinky ... about her. I imagine she could be a lot of fun.
I'd vote for Edwina and declare Major the winner.
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Now we know why there should always be a "none of the above" choice.  I caught this morning morning’s minion, king-
dom of daylight’s dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird,—the achieve of; the mastery of the thing!
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Come on Insipiens ... vote ... you know you want to.
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Originally Posted by Gav I meant 'blip' in the sense that he is not likely to be remember as a great leader - party or UK. Agreed. But he is quite likely to be remembered as the leader that it took the conservatives years to recover from. (or was that Hague? Or IDS?) I caught this morning morning’s minion, king-
dom of daylight’s dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird,—the achieve of; the mastery of the thing!
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Originally Posted by Insipiens Agreed. But he is quite likely to be remembered as the leader that it took the conservatives years to recover from. (or was that Hague? Or IDS?)
Actually, I would say that Thatcher is the leader that the Tories are having a hard time recovering from. Labour is going the same way. Vive la Liberal Democrats!
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Originally Posted by Louweasel Sarah honey,
Don't feed the troll! Hehe.. sorry *blushes* Proditio plerumque amatur, proditor odio habetur.
-Plutarch
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