Fantasy Fencing

[Blade]

You have all these fantasy games on the web like Fantasy Baseball, Fantasy Football, Fantasy Basketball, etc.

You download a program, enter some characters details and it generates a report of the match for you.

I would LOVE one of these for fencing, so any programmers out there, contact me.

It would be so surreal. I hope this gets support. I doubt it but I REALLY REALLY HOPEthis gets SUPPORT.

[arcon]

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: arcon ]

[Gav]

A decent fencing sim would be great fun. I've only scene one that comes close and it's a hack 'n' slash game - Severance: BLade of Darkness. It's not VERY realistic though. A good swashbuckling sim that's what weneed, I'd love to swing from the chandelier and kick barrels down stairs at the Kings maen etc.

[arcon]

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: arcon ]

[Bugaboo]

Originally posted by arcon:
<STRONG>I can appreciate what you are trying to do here but I really dont think you'll find the support youre looking for. This IS the serious part of the board. Fantasy is not very popular here. ... </STRONG>

(chortle)
What a delightful assumption!

I have yet to see an online message board where everyone strictly adheres to content guidelines, implied or otherwise.

Back to the topic, though: For as much as we love our sport, the activity of fencing simply isn't extreme or vulgar enough to warrant a simulation. A LOT of fencing actions take place in a very small zone (epee wrist hits, for example), and with a very tiny point on the tip of the weapon. Tactics are vital, of course, but the same pride we take in comparing fencing to chess is also our downfall when it comes to spectators. It's simply not a viable mass-market product.

[three_hundred_fifty_five]

You can move this topic to the Water Cooler if you so feel that Arcon's pushy attitude leads you to do so.

Fantasy Fencing as you are relating to Fantasy Football is not the same as Fantasy Land crap story writing. So Arcon, go to hell.

Getting back to the original topic, it's partially feasible. I don't think that Bugaboo and Arcon know what Fantasy Football is or Fantasy Baseball. Here's an example Fantasy Fencing League you could have.
1. Put a price on all FIE ranked fencers and then put a price on each fencer according the points they currently have.
2. You have X French francs to spend on a team of 6 fencers. 1 male foilist, 1 female foilist, 1 male epeeist, 1 female epeeist, 1 male sabreur and 1 female sabreur.
3. You can choose from the list of competitors who are ranked in the FIE. One fencer can not be on more than one person's team.
4. There is a draft where you get to select the fencers for your team. In each round of the draft, you may choose one fencer. Order of selection is based on a random lottery.
5. Now, every team has 6 fencers.
6. For each event, you give a points system and award x points to a team if the fencer ranks in x position. For example, team A has Sergei Golubitsky. He ranks 3rd. at a recent FIE World Cup. Team A is awarded 10 points. The fencer who got second would get more points and that would be given to the team that owns him. The fencer who ranked first would get even more points and that would be given to the team that owns him.
If your fencer doesn't do well or doesn't compete, e.g. ranks 25th, you get zero points.
7. Keep tally of all points throughout the season until the World Championships.
8. The team with the most points at the end wins.

[Blade]

Sorry, if I posted in the wrong topic.

I was a little pressed for time, when I wrote it

[Blade]

something like E-wrestling even for fencing

like on www.diwf.cjb.net

[Bugaboo]

Originally posted by three_hundred_fifty_five:
<STRONG>You can move this topic to the Water Cooler if you so feel that Arcon's pushy attitude leads you to do so.

Fantasy Fencing as you are relating to Fantasy Football is not the same as Fantasy Land crap story writing. So Arcon, go to hell.

Getting back to the original topic, it's partially feasible. I don't think that Bugaboo and Arcon know what Fantasy Football is or Fantasy Baseball.... </STRONG>

Gotta love anonymous Internet anger. "Go to hell," indeed.

Yeah, I know what a "fantasy league" is all about, genius. But based on the initial message and the immediate response, it seemed that we were actually addressing the idea of a one-on-one fencing combat simulation.

[Craig]

You know, you could also put some factors into the fantasy fencing points for touches scored, indicators and head-to-head match-ups for tie-breakers.

The german site ophardt-team.de is getting the full fie tourney results including seeding pools and those could factor in as well. The problem is that the top 16 don't fence in the pools, so factoring in their points vs. a fencer who did the pools would be something to work out.

Does anyone reading this thread have experience running a fantasy football or baseball league?

I think this would be a fun way to keep up with FIE and National results for the next season. (Assuming that the formula can be worked out.)

Cheers,
Craig

[Tomas N]

A different way to do it would be to have two fencers programed perfectly. In other words if they fenced no one would win.

If two perfect fencers fenced, neither would win? Wouldn't it just be a toss-up? Each would win 50% of the time...or are you saying that if two "perfect" fencers fenced, neither would ever score a point?

[d8m]

A Fantasy Fencing League would rock!

[Bugaboo]

I'm not trying to be negative, because I'd really enjoy playing such a league if it became possible.

But one of the strengths of the football, baseball and basketball leagues is that they all involve teams taken from a huge pool of career players nationwide. There's a lot of potential for mix-and-match number crunching there.

I mean, sheesh, guys, our sport is about as simple as you get. We don't have a lot of stats, and one-on-one combat lasts just a few minutes at a time. We just don't have enough material for a "league" of our own.

[arcon]

[ 10-23-2001: Message edited by: arcon ]

[its_me_mango]

hi guys i guess you thought i had given up the board, not on your life, i've been in the hospital - i had a hyterectomy, really gross, but i'm feeling better. enough said, fencing forever, see you on the piste.

[Gav]

Fencing won't cut it as a fantasy league. Too individual, not enough competitors. It would only realy shine as a sport sim of some sort.

[Blade]

That is also an option probably a preferable one.

[oiuyt]

not enough competitors

Of COURSE there are enough competitors. Look at fantasy football. ESPN.com fantasy brags about having 250 players ranked. Let's just take the 6 senior points standings (FIE or US or whatever). Immediately we have more than 250.

Simple league rules (USFA version):
1) 10 players/league.
2) Players draft 10 fencers (more on this later).
3) Each Div I NAC/Elite Nat'ls each player specifies 8 fencers (1/weapon + 2 wildcards) as active for his/her team.
4) Points are scored as per the USFA point system for each active player on each player's team.
5) End of the season, the player who's team scored the most points wins.
6) All undrafted fencers are put into a "free agent" pool. Players can release a fencer from their team and claim a free agent fencer to be added to their roster.
7) Possibly add some rules to allow trading of fencers between players' teams.

For drafting, randomly select a draft position for each player, reverse the order in even rounds. E.g. player A selects first overall and then 20th, 21st, 40th, etc. Player E selects 5th, 16th, 25th, 36th, etc. Player J selects 10th, 11th, 30th, 31st, etc.

The same rules that all other fantasy leagues in whatever sport are run by can fairly easily be converted to fencing. The only thing that varies between most leagues is how the scoring system is set up. With the points standings we have at least one really easy scoring system already in place. More complications can be added to take into account world cup results, etc., or this could be converted to use FIE points instead or whatever, but the basics of a workable league are here.

-B