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Nostradamus Nostradamus wrote long ago that there would be a leader in the Middle East that he called Mabbas. In the early 90's, some were saying that if you held "Saddam" up to a mirrir, you got Mabbas. But then this morning, with Arafat dead, they Put Mahmoud Abbas in charge of the Paletinians. M. Abbas.
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.... nostradamus knew his stuff.... dang. "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. And from this side only! The flight of a half-man, half-bird. Dinosaurs nuzzling their young in pastures where strip malls should be. Cookies on dowels. All those moment, lost in time. Gone, like eggs off a hooker's stomach. Time to die" -Phil Ken Sebben
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Sorry, but Nostadamus named the Antichrist "Mabus." The Mabbas, Maddas, etc. variants are all from post-Gulf-War attempts by kooks to say it had to be Saddam or Bush Sr. Just because you have the right, that doesn't mean it is right.
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It's all a load of bollocks and you can make this sort of prophesy fit anything you want to after the fact, if you try hard enough.
Plus he said the world was supposed to end in 1999 apparently, which (I believe) even if you count under the old calendar would have been sooner, not later than "our" 1999, and I'm still here.
*cynical waggle of whiskers* Louweasel
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How big a load of bollocks are we talking about here? A wheelbarrow? A dump-truck? An oil tanker?
What a visual... Just because you have the right, that doesn't mean it is right.
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Likelihood of Nostradamus using a name that ended "as" rather than "us" seems relatively low as I believe he wrote in Latin. Could be a Latinized version however.
Of course it's all b**************** but it doesn't stop people. rant rant. I caught this morning morning’s minion, king-
dom of daylight’s dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding
Of the rolling level underneath him steady air, and striding
High there, how he rung upon the rein of a wimpling wing
In his ecstasy! then off, off forth on swing,
As a skate’s heel sweeps smooth on a bow-bend: the hurl and gliding
Rebuffed the big wind. My heart in hiding
Stirred for a bird,—the achieve of; the mastery of the thing!
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I know it's stupid, but Nostradamus scares the living **** out of me.
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Epee_Pox, the writings are from over 500 years ago and are not some "post-Gulf-War attempts by kooks to say it had to be Saddam or Bush Sr." However, I would agree with you that anyone making that type of attempt is a kook.
Louweasel, you are obviously unfamililar with his writings. Nowhere did he ever write that the world would end in 1999. In fact, he alludes to events going forward until, by our calendar, 4,000 A.D. And he doesn't say the world will end there, either. He just couldn't "see" further than that. Nostradamus was a devout Catholic and believed that God would never destroy what he created.
Insipiens, the endings "-as" or "-us" depend on where you get the translation from. Nostradamus did not write in Latin, he wrote in an old French language called "Green language French". Various "scholars" have spelled the name with both endings.
BTW, Mabus (or whatever spelling you want to use) is supposed to be the third AntiChrist. Napoleon and Hitler were the first two, according to his writings.
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 Originally Posted by HilandDoug Napoleon and Hitler were the first two, according to his writings. If he wrote about Napoleon and Hitler, using their names, I am very, very impressed. Otherwise, not so.
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Hil and Doug, I didn't say Nostradamus was modern kooks, I said that particular spelling and story was from modern kooks. Re-read my post.
Kooks. Kooks. What a great word. I like saying it. Kooks kooks kooks. Just because you have the right, that doesn't mean it is right.
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Nostradamus was nothing.
He wrote a bunch of poems about things to happen in a set of thousands of years. Very, very vague poems. Over that many years, it's no surprise that many of them have come true.
mrbiggs's predictions for 2004 to this time in 2005:
A great man will rise from the other side of the Earth, and bring disorder to our land.
A city will tremble at the enemy's approach.
A new leader will become born.
The devil will make himself known to the world.
Sabre fencing in the U.S. will find a huge increase in popularity.
Those are my predictions, and odds are VERY good that they'll come true.
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Originally Posted by HilandDoug Napoleon and Hitler were the first two, according to his writings. Napoleon? What's so bad about Napoleon. He was kind, personable, he gave the united states a third of it's land. He let France retain much of it's democracy even when he became it's emperor. He took the time to learn every person's name that he ever met. What's wrong with Napoleon?
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Originally Posted by Westley Napoleon? What's so bad about Napoleon. He was kind, personable, he gave the united states a third of it's land. He let France retain much of it's democracy even when he became it's emperor. He took the time to learn every person's name that he ever met. What's wrong with Napoleon? a) There is no apostrophe in "its"
b) Both times
c) Napolean killed millions of people. Maybe not millions, but the world's population was much smaller back then. He killed ALOT of people. France did well, but everyone else didn't.
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I'll keep a shart eye out for this new revelation, but my other eye is still watching for the Y2K thing to come true. Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French, and its all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it's all organized by the Italians.
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Nostradamus actually gave 7 different dates for the ending of the world. For those of you with access to a university library (I have never found a copy in a public one), I suggest you pick up his prophesy. It's uncanny in places, although one must remember not to impose an ex post facto interpretation on the work. The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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7 different days? Sounds like someone was covering their bases.  Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs Italian, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French, and its all organized by the Swiss.
Hell is where the police are German, the chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, and it's all organized by the Italians.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs a) There is no apostrophe in "its"
b) Both times
c) Napolean killed millions of people. Maybe not millions, but the world's population was much smaller back then. He killed ALOT of people. France did well, but everyone else didn't. So did Alexander the Great but nobody's calling him the anti-christ. Or Julius Caesar, Or General Grant, or George Bush. Oh, wait a second.... I actually got an e-mail that shows that in ancient hebrew or whatever, every letter stands for a number. And if you add all the numbers in George Herbert Walker Bush, the numbers add up to 666. Anyway, back to the point. Christopher Colombus was more evil than Napoleon. He didn't have a thread of common decency. Napoleon was only cruel to his enemies. He did however, allow slavery in France.
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Originally Posted by Westley So did Alexander the Great but nobody's calling him the anti-christ. Or Julius Caesar, Or General Grant, or George Bush. Oh, wait a second.... I actually got an e-mail that shows that in ancient hebrew or whatever, every letter stands for a number. And if you add all the numbers in George Herbert Walker Bush, the numbers add up to 666. Anyway, back to the point. Christopher Colombus was more evil than Napoleon. He didn't have a thread of common decency. Napoleon was only cruel to his enemies. He did however, allow slavery in France. Columbus was in no way more cruel than Napolean. His actions affected 100, maybe 1000 people, whereas Napolean affected all of Europe. Caesar is regarded by evil as some, but he and Grant and Alex have two differences: 1. They were unifying, rather than conquering, and 2. related to #1, the winners write history. So Caesar and Grant had good intentions, whereas Napolean and definately Hitler did not. Bush hasn't killed millions. Yet.
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Even if all of that is true, I still wouldn't classify Napoleon on the same level as Hitler. He may have his miscomings, but still... there have been many who were much more evil and affected far more people than Napoleon. For example, Kim Jong Il, or however the hell you spell his name. Napoleon found success because despite the fact he fought neighboring countries (namely England) he did bring France from the brink of destruction, and he may have set his sights on conquering the world, in a sense, but so did Alexander. The only reason Alexander was a uniter was because he conquered conquered everyone, therefore uniting them. Under his rule! Napoleon, however, never conquered dit squat. He had to keep his numerous losses in Egypt and other places out of the newspapers, so the people would still like him. He never carried out the planned extermination of a certain race, never began a holocaust, never swore war against the rest of the world. He was diplomatic, and showed all the strength of a true leader, and even refrained from Machiavellian's concept of a strict and cruel leader.
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Originally Posted by HilandDoug Louweasel, you are obviously unfamililar with his writings. Nowhere did he ever write that the world would end in 1999.
Nostradamus did not write in Latin, he wrote in an old French language called "Green language French". I was obviously misinformed - I read that he did. But I haven't read his writings so am fully prepared to concede here.
However I still think it is cobblers. Nobody has ever given me a satisfactory explanation (or even any kind of explanation) as to how anyone could predict future events.
"Green language French" - I studied french linguistics, right back to vulgar Latin, at university, and I have never heard of this. Is it known by any other name? Can you give me any more info - I'd like to identify it.
As for Napoleon, there were lots of worse people indubitably, but he did have a nasty habit of looking at other countries and deciding he'd have them. [We saw him off though, thank you Admiral Lord Nelson.] However, on that basis, you could put Queen Victoria on the evil list, as the British Colonies amounted to much the same thing! Louweasel
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