First resignations- Evand and Aschroft

[KShan5[PrFC]]

First cabinet resignations

[TooLoftheDeviL]

Originally Posted by Ashcroft in his resignation

"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved."

It has? Mission Accomplished!

[mrbiggs]

I hope that the next cabinet members will be flaming liberals to offset Rumsfeld. Boy, I spelled that wrong, didn't I. I need to go to sleep.

[Maeve_Mari]

Originally Posted by TooLoftheDeviL

It has? Mission Accomplished!

And now I will part the oceans and raise the skies!
Mission Accomplished!

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by mrbiggs

I hope that the next cabinet members will be flaming liberals

Heh, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

( Although the idea of liberals on fire is not without a certain appeal. )

[noodle]

ashcroft's replacement named

[telkanuru]

http://msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/pdf/gonzales_memo.pdf

Yay, there go civil liberties!

[esskreemr]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

http://msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/pdf/gonzales_memo.pdf

Yay, there go civil liberties!

Yes, but he's Hispanic. So it's ok...

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

http://msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/pdf/gonzales_memo.pdf

Yay, there go civil liberties!

Yes, but only if you're Al Qaeda or Taliban, according to that document. No big loss, I think.

[noodle]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Yes, but only if you're Al Qaeda or Taliban, according to that document. No big loss, I think.

for now. its a potentially slippery slope, though.

[telkanuru]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Yes, but only if you're Al Qaeda or Taliban, according to that document. No big loss, I think.

Yes, because the government knowing which books I take out of the library isn't creepy/worrying at all.

[Maeve_Mari]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Yes, because the government knowing which books I take out of the library isn't creepy/worrying at all.

Or what movies you watch on cable, or how often you fly to Milwakee, or that little itch you had that was discussed with only your doctor! Not a worrisome thought at all that records from anyone could be "requested" without your permission or even notification at anytime without any apparant cause or purpose. And if that wasn't bad enough, the thought that your doctor, librarian, cable provider, or neighbor could be "gagged" from even telling you that the material was requested an/or turned over, is maybe the worst part of that act.

[BOliver]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Yes, but only if you're Al Qaeda or Taliban, according to that document. No big loss, I think.

Fortunately, all members of those organizations wear clearly visible marks, identifying them as such, so there will be no confusion. No American citizens, with dark complexions, and vaguely middle-eastern surnames will be harassed at airports, detained for no particular reason, nor be denied basic civil rights, because it's easy to tell who the bad guys are....

Then again, no German-Americans were herded into Concentration camps during WWII. Woe to anyone with epicanthical folds, though....

[telkanuru]

Yet there were massive deportations of expatriots of japan, and their american-born children. Something to do with skin colour, perhaps?

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

http://msnbc.com/modules/newsweek/pdf/gonzales_memo.pdf

Yay, there go civil liberties!

This Memo conerns me more. He didn't write it, he just directed it be produced and received it.

--Philistine

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Maeve_Mari

Or what movies you watch on cable, or how often you fly to Milwakee, or that little itch you had that was discussed with only your doctor! Not a worrisome thought at all that records from anyone could be "requested" without your permission or even notification at anytime without any apparant cause or purpose. And if that wasn't bad enough, the thought that your doctor, librarian, cable provider, or neighbor could be "gagged" from even telling you that the material was requested an/or turned over, is maybe the worst part of that act.

Do you really think they can make any sense of the oceans of unrelated data bits on 260 million Americans? They are more than likely drowning in irrelevancies. A signal-to-noise ratio of truly impressive proportions, that...

But lose sleep over it if you must. You'll be too tired to resist when we come for your library books...

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by telkanuru

Yet there were massive deportations of expatriots of japan, and their american-born children. Something to do with skin colour, perhaps?

Yes, I'm sure the residents of Nanking would have been horrified. Deportation, quotha!

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by BOliver

Then again, no German-Americans were herded into Concentration camps during WWII. Woe to anyone with epicanthical folds, though....

Ah, ah, ah, fallacy of slippery slope.

Haven't noticed any moves in that direction, have we? In fact, hasn't all the momentum recently been going in the other direction, court-wise?

Permit me to suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, the sky is not really falling.

[Philistine]

Originally Posted by Inquartata

Ah, ah, ah, fallacy of slippery slope.

Haven't noticed any moves in that direction, have we? In fact, hasn't all the momentum recently been going in the other direction, court-wise?

Of course--the only reason it has been going in the other direction court-wise, is because the momentum is pushing in that direction, administration-wise.....

Permit me to suggest that perhaps, just perhaps, the sky is not really falling.

But given the likelihood of change in the Supreme Court over the next four years.... perhaps nervously looking for a sturdy umbrella is not entirely out of order.

--Philistine

[Inquartata]

Originally Posted by Philistine

Of course--the only reason it has been going in the other direction court-wise, is because the momentum is pushing in that direction, administration-wise.....

Thanks to the heroic efforts of those noble, wise, intelligent fighters for Truth, Justice and the American Way---the ACLU?