Ratings in other countries?

[ls14evar]

I know how the USFA rating system works,
But how to other countries do their ratings systems and how do their rankings compare to the USFA rankings?
-B

[Zelda]

Australia has 4 national cirucut competitions a year. Your 3 best results count for your ranking. If you compete internationally that somehow gets included but I am not 100% sure how (Downunder should know...) Its a rolling ranking, so once the comp is done the next year your previous results for that comp dont count. Seeding is done on the ranking. We do 1 round of poules, 100% promotion to DE's.

[telkanuru]

100% promotion? jeeze, that's nice for a national.

[ls14evar]

Wow... sounds like it would really prevent people getting that one lucky tournament to get a ranking. You have to perform well consistantly to retain any ranking at all.

[Zelda]

Which is why the top 8 is generally very predictable (in womens foil at least). Its frustrating though as the womens foil comps very rarely get above 30 people you can almost work out the order before you start...which I have to stop doing as it contributes to my DE brain breakdowns.

[Dave]

In the UK your ranking is based on your best 6 results that you get in an open or international competition with up to a maximum of 3 international results (or the nationals which are in effect a big open that forigners aren't allowed to enter). The number of ranking points which you get for each competition are scaled depending on the strength of the competition and how you do in it. You only get points if you come in the last 64 AND top 75% of the competition.

So coming 64th at the welsh open (one of the big competitions) will get you more points than winning the norfolk open (which is generally rather weak).

Anyone can enter an open and get a ranking (if they do well enough).

Competitions are generally one round of poules then a DE with everyone promoted (unless there is a very large entry in which case their may be a cut).


for a full explanation see here

http://www.foilcommittee.pwp.blueyon...10-04-ver3.htm


Booboo , chubby hubby or any of the other UK fencers probably know far more about this than me.

[kalivor]

Canada has Selection Rankings, Domestic Rankings and Classifications:

The Selection Rankings are a point-based system determined by results in Canada's two Elite (now renamed "Selection") tournaments, Elite Nationals, and a selection of world cups, NACs, etc. As I'm in no danger of earning any Selection points anytime soon, I don't know too much about it.

Domestic Rankings are given by the best five results from Open tournaments, plus regional and summer National championships. Tournament strength is determined by the number and classifications of the attendees (I could go into detail if you want).

Classifications are awarded at the end of each season based on the domestic rankings: The top 8% get Bs, the next 12% get Cs and the next 20% get Ds. Those who have met the CFF's National Team criteria get As.

Each of these is used for different things:

The Selection rankings are used to determine who makes a National team -- those at the top who have met the national team criteria get to be on it. The domestic rankings are used for tournament seeding (and the awarding of classifications), while the classifications help to determine how many points each fencer earns at a tournament.

[downunder]

If you compete internationally that somehow gets included but I am not 100% sure how (Downunder should know...)

can only get australian points for junior or senior world cups, foreign opens or satellite events don't qualify for any points.

[Robert (2)]

So coming 64th at the welsh open (one of the big competitions) will get you more points than winning the norfolk open (which is generally rather weak.

Dave's comments are correct with one minor correction. The rules are constantly tweaked in the UK, so the above isn't true any longer.

First place in a UK comp gets you 20 points. 64th gets you 1.44. So 1st is about 15 times more than last.

That is then multiplied by a NIF count. It used to be that the weakest comps (say Norfolk) would have a NIF near 1, and the strongest (say the Welsh) about 100. So obviously the strength of the competition in the UK is much, much more important than where you actually finish.

However, that has recently been changed so the lowest competitions have higher NIFs, probably about 25 in the case of the Norfolk. So the gap will only be 4 times. And so where you finish is now much more important than the competition

The French System as I understand (and I couldn't find any details on their website) is rather simpler.

Each competition is assigned a strength value. This is multiplied by the number of competitors. That is then multiplied by your position score, which is a ratio of your position to the number of competitors, something like 1- Log P/ Log N. Everyone in the tournament gets points.

Robert

[sreckiki]

The French System as I understand (and I couldn't find any details on their website) is rather simpler.

Each competition is assigned a strength value. This is multiplied by the number of competitors. That is then multiplied by your position score, which is a ratio of your position to the number of competitors, something like 1- Log P/ Log N. Everyone in the tournament gets points.

It's rather simpler, correct... But, the national ranking in France is ONLY based on the national events. That means that the International Circuits are not taken into account for the national ranking.

And that can explain why Fabrice Jeannet (the last world champion) is currently ranked 14th in France. Funny, isn't it?