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Guide to Politcal discourse - Arguments, Rhetoric and Logic Well if the Politics area is going to stay here then we all mind as well have a listing of the latin that Inq keeps bringing up...
http://www2.sjsu.edu/depts/itl/graphics/main.html
The arguments in here have, by and large, been extremely intelligent and fruitful. Yeah, we may disagree passionately, but at least we disagree intelligently. So, take a look, learn to argue and persuade, and no AD HOMINEM!
Maybe Craig can make this a sticky if the Politics area is going to stick around??? If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
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Good stuff. We can use it a priori  The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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Great link, jBirch. Only thing missing in Appeals section is "Appeals to Bout Committee"! "In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different."
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Here's another one for fun. This one is about Rhetoric more then Logic.
http://www.virtualsalt.com/rhetoric.htm If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
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Interesting link, but since when has logic had ANYTHING to do with politics.
"I live my life a bout at a time. Nothing else matters. Not the mortgage, not the store, not my team and all their bulls***. For those 15 touches or less, I am free."
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Then this link has more to do with political discourse:
Thirty-eight dishonest tricks which are commonly used in argument, with the methods of overcoming them
http://www.246.dk/38tricks.html
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 Originally Posted by telkanuru Good stuff. We can use it a priori That's a non sequitur...  Nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action.
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This logic stuff will never catch on.
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You only say that 'cause yer a Commie pinko... Nothing is more frightening than ignorance in action.
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How about a list of Latin phrases, and how you can translate them literally, so as to distort their meaning?
Actually, most Latin phrases work pretty well:
Ad nauseum
Tu quoque
Some don't:
"That was a clear to man attack, Inquartata!"
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Originally Posted by lochinvar You only say that 'cause yer a Commie pinko... Nay, I'm a Red herring. ( And no, you may not cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with me. ) 
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If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
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Inq is practicing obfuscation again...*bump* If it's stupid, but it works, it's not stupid.
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Et tu, Brutus?
Mater dio.
PK
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Originally Posted by mrbiggs How about a list of Latin phrases, and how you can translate them literally, so as to distort their meaning?
Actually, most Latin phrases work pretty well:
Ad nauseum
Tu quoque
Some don't:
"That was a clear to man attack, Inquartata!" Some basics
a priori- lit. 'from the previous'. A peice of an argument that can be assumed because it has already been proven
cum hoc ergo propter hoc- lit. 'with this therefore because of this'. A common logical fallacy of saying corrilation means causation
O tempora! O mores!- lit. 'O the times! O the habits!'. Basically, What's the world coming to. Rhetoric, by M.T. Cicero.
Ad hominem- lit. 'to the man'. An attack on the person rather than the argument
quod erat demonstratum- lit. 'with respect to which it was demonstrated'. More commonly, 'thus, I prove'. Abbr.- QED.
sic- lit. 'thus'. Placed next to a misspelling/inaccuracy in the original to note the error is known but part of the original.
ergo- lit. 'therefore'. No further explaination required.
Erratus humanus est- lit. 'to err is human'. Keep this in mind when you find fault with this post.
More as I think of them. The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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Why not avoid Latin and make your posts in plain English - with good spelling, good grammar and sensible sentence structure.
Just a thought.
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Tradition and the elevation of the discussion to a more academic level. Also, if I couldn't use Latin, I would have wasted 4 hours a week for 3 years taking it! The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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Originally Posted by telkanuru cum hoc ergo propter hoc- lit. 'with this therefore because of this'. A common logical fallacy of saying corrilation means causation I thought it was post hoc ergo propter hoc? Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another. ~Homer
Student St. Mary's College of Maryland
Philosophy Major: Will think for food.
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I disagree. Using latin doesn't raise the discussion to any level at all. Tradition yes, making you look like a smarty pants yes - raising the discussion level ... no. I understand a bit of Latin (I had to learn a bit when I was stdying Biology) but would much rather people typed proper sentences, checked their spelling (even if they have used a spellchecker) and used proper grammar. I suppose that would be too much to ask these days... (I'm not even 30 yet I sound like an OAP).
I understand you wanting to use it after 4 years of it.
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Originally Posted by Epictetus I thought it was post hoc ergo propter hoc? Either technically work.
'After this therefore because of this' and 'with this therefore because of this'.
You do, however, cite the more commonly used version. The only way to atone for being occasionally a little over-dressed is by being always absolutely over-educated. -Oscar Wilde
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